German to ban Bestiality

**Bigfella** · 03 Dec 12,, 09:26

I know the sixties were...'swinging' in some parts of the world....but who would have thought Germany 'swung' quite this much.

Tarek, Kato, anything you feel the need to share? We're all friends here. To be fair Tarek, given your history with human females no one here would judge too harshly.

(just kidding fellas).

BTW, while this may be true

Animals are much easier to understand than women," Mr Kiok claimed.

I defy you to find many women who will 'understand' when you explain what you do with your speare time:

Michael Kiok, the chairman of the pressure group Zoophile Engagement for Tolerance and Information

Oh, and just in case you thought the world wasn't strange enough, read to the last line.

Germany's ruling coalition is calling for a ban on bestiality - or the practice of having sex with animals.

The German parliament's agriculture committee is considering making it an offence not only to hurt an animal but also to force it into unnatural sex. Offenders could face a hefty fine.

A final vote will be held in the Bundestag (lower house) on 14 December.

Germany legalised bestiality (zoophilia) in 1969, except when the animal suffered "significant harm".

But animal rights groups have campaigned for a change in the law and Hans-Michael Goldmann, the head of the parliamentary committee investigating the new amendment, told the Tageszeitung newspaper that the new legislation was intended to clarify the current legal position.

"With this explicit ban, it will be easier to impose penalties and to improve animal protection."

A fine of up to 25,000 euros (£20,000) is proposed if someone forces an animal to commit "actions alien to the species".

But Michael Kiok, the chairman of the pressure group Zoophile Engagement for Tolerance and Information (Zeta), said he was going to take legal action to fight the proposed changes.

"It is unthinkable that any sexual act with an animal is punished without proof that the animal has come to any harm," he said, adding that animals are capable of showing what they do, or do not, want to do.

"We see animals as partners and not as a means of gratification. We don't force them to do anything. Animals are much easier to understand than women," Mr Kiok claimed.

Bestiality is banned in many European countries, including the Netherlands, France and Switzerland.

The law was changed in the UK in 2003, which reduced the maximum sentence from life imprisonment to two years.

The act however, is permissible in Belgium, Denmark and Sweden, though Stockholm is considering a change in the legislation

BBC News - Animal welfare: Germany moves to ban bestiality

**Officer of Engineers** · 03 Dec 12,, 14:55

Are vampires classified as beasts?

**bonehead** · 03 Dec 12,, 16:56

You have to worry about civilizations in general when you have to have laws like this on the books.

**tankie** · 03 Dec 12,, 17:32

2 dogs in the vets talking (in german ) one said why r u here , 1st dog says well the master went out last night n when he came home he slipped in my piss n shite and broke his leg ,,oh my says dog 2 , your gerrin the needle , aye , well what u in for says dog 1 ,, welllllllll last night he says , the mistress had a shower n when she finished she was bent over naked in the bed zimmer , weeeeeell i saw her bits n bobs n couldnt resist so i leapt on her back n backscuttled furiously her for an hour ,,,,,blooooooooooooooooody hell says other dog u gerrin the needle for sure ,,

nahhhhhhhhh he says im gerrin me claws clipped

**kato** · 08 Dec 12,, 09:38

Originally Posted by Bigfella

I know the sixties were...'swinging' in some parts of the world....but who would have thought Germany 'swung' quite this much.

Germany did a major reform of all criminal law in 1969, resulting in a "no harm no foul" attitude across the board. Morality was banned from criminal law back then, and that applied in particular to all laws on sexuality.

The rest of the world is just 50 years behind us.

**Parihaka** · 08 Dec 12,, 09:45

Hmmm, not sure whether it's better to be behind you or behind a goat.

**JAD_333** · 08 Dec 12,, 17:00

So, how's the goat gonna file a complaint?

**tankie** · 08 Dec 12,, 17:09

Originally Posted by JAD_333

So, how's the goat gonna file a complaint?

It was a pig Jad ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it squealed on him .

**kato** · 07 Apr 13,, 21:22

The above motion passed the lower house in December 2012 btw, upper house in January 2013, not effective yet.

The exact wording is:
§3 TierSchG
It's forbidden to
13. use an animal for own sexual acts or train or provide it for sexual acts with third persons and thereby force it into activity alien to its species.

Violating §3 TierSchG is treated as a misdemeanor (not crime) and results in a fine of max 25,000 Euro under §18 TierSchG. The grouping makes sex with an animal roughly equal to doping an animal in sports, force-feeding it, abandoning it or using a stun collar on it.

The primary difference to before is that this new version punishes sexual acts in which the human participant is the passive partner. The human as the active partner could already be punished in most cases for causing (mental) anguish to the animal. Placing it in §3 makes it illegal to get fucked by invertebrate animals too btw. Most paragraphs of the TierSchG are a bit more restricted in this regard.