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    Texas Macy’s Employee Fired for Not Letting Tranny use Ladies Dressing Room

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    Texas Macy’s Employee Fired for Allegedly Violating Store’s LGBT Policy
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    Natalie Johnson from San Antonio, Texas claims she was fired from her job at Macy's for telling a transgender customer that she could not change in the women's dressing room. (ABC News)

    A Texas woman claims she was fired from her job at Macy’s for telling a transgender customer that she could not change in the women’s dressing room, according to ABC News’ San Antonio affiliate KSAT.

    The woman, Natalie Johnson, has filed a complaint with the Federal Employment Commission, saying that her religious beliefs prevent her from recognizing transgender people, according to KSAT.

    Johnson, 27, was employed at the River Center Macy’s in San Antonio until last week. She said a teenager caught her attention because the teen was shopping for women’s clothing, but Johnson was convinced the shopper was male.

    When Johnson spotted the teenager in the women’s dressing area, Johnson told her she could not change there.

    “I had to just be straightforward and tell him, ‘You’re a man,’ and of course that … really got him steamed,” Johnson told KSAT.

    The teenager’s friends argued with Johnson, reportedly telling her that Macy’s allows transgender people to change in the dressing room of the gender they identify with.

    “I made my choice the other day,” Johnson said. “I refuse to comply with this policy.”
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    So many things wrong about this.

    1) Even using the word tranny is a no no anymore. Neil Patrick Harris apologizes for slur on "Live!" - Yahoo! News

    2) If you don't like company policy either you change the policy, you don't work for that company, or you don't complain when that policy gets you fired. Hear that Natalie.

    3) Where the hell was the manager?

    4) Trannys in Texas? I guess that basic training line in all the military hollywood movies is for real. "only steers and queers come from Texas" Kind of odd though as Texas is not a tolerant state for such things.

    5) If someone with a penis tries to get into a ladies only changing area, I don't think there is a company policy for the violence and mayhem that will ensue when husbands and fathers get involved.
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    This political correctness bullshit is going to destroy this nation one day.

    You can't tell an idiot with mental problems (YES, I SAID MENTAL PROBLEMS) that he should get his ass into the men's dressing room to try on clothes but you can fire someone with religious beliefs at the drop of a hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFever View Post
    This political correctness bullshit is going to destroy this nation one day.

    You can't tell an idiot with mental problems (YES, I SAID MENTAL PROBLEMS) that he should get his ass into the men's dressing room to try on clothes but you can fire someone with religious beliefs at the drop of a hat.
    Mental problems aside the default issue is what is the employer's policy regarding the issue. Ms. Johnsons' refusal to follow company policy is valid grounds for termination. Employees that disregard company policy because it does not fall within their personal belief system do so at their own risk.

    I would further suspect that Ms. Johnsons' firing was as much about her attitude and the in your face approach she used with the customer to handle the situation.

    As a consumer I always have the right to take my business elsewhere if I don’t agree with the policy and procedures of a retailer. However the fastest way to lose my business is to treat me with a lack of courtesy and respect, and no I don’t plan to use the ladies dressing rooms to try on any of my future purchases.
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    Another default issue is if I found a teen male hanging out in the womens changing area when my wee girl was in there trying things on, and then discovered it was company policy for said teen to violate my daughters space I rather think I would indulge in the great American past-time of suing their ass

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    Back in my day, a "tranny" is the gear box that translates the power of a car's engine to the wheels that spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Back in my day, a "tranny" is the gear box that translates the power of a car's engine to the wheels that spin.
    Back in my day you had to walk up hill BOTH WAYS in deep snow and rain with the wind howling only to be asked "what's a tranny" because in AMERICA it's a TRANSMISSION!!!

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    If a "transgender" person can use the restroom of the other gender, does that mean a man or a woman can use the same restroom used by a "transgender" person?

    If I were a lesbian trapped in a man's body, does that mean it's OK for me to dress up as my "gender of choice" and use the women's locker room at the gym?
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    Uhm, not to be crude, crass, or revolting but if I am correct, all men are lesbians trapped in mens bodies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanker View Post
    Uhm, not to be crude, crass, or revolting but if I am correct, all men are lesbians trapped in mens bodies...
    Gotcha
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    Was it a Muncie or a Saginaw tranny? A 4 speed?
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    If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children." -- Confucius

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    Did it have a limited slip differential?

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    I'm assuming "trannies" are the same whether he/she is from Muncie or Saginaw...but what is a limited slip differential? Is it something they do or have? :D

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    another name for the differential is rear end - I bet this tranny has one of those too, and a granny gear to boot.
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    Somewhat related...

    Twin Boys, One Transgender, Become Brother and Sister

    By SUSAN DONALDSON JAMES
    Dec. 13, 2011

    As early as age 4, Wyatt Maines asked his mother, "When do I get to be a girl?" And he told his father he hated his penis.

    Wyatt always liked girl's clothes and movies, while his twin brother Jonas played with traditional boy toys.

    Born identical twins, the siblings share the same DNA, but their gender identification took divergent paths. Now, at age 14, they are brother and sister, as Wyatt's transition to Nicole is well under way.

    Nicole is 5-feet, 1-inch tall and 100 pounds; her twin brother is 5-feet, 6-inches and weighs 115 pounds -- and they are best friends.

    Their story -- marked by tearful emotions, bullying at their first school and eventually a lawsuit and a move to a different town -- was chronicled in the Boston Globe on Sunday.

    Their parents, Wayne and Kelly Maines, said they brought their transgender daughter into the spotlight in the hopes that their story might shed light on the struggle of others.

    "We sat down with our kids at the breakfast table when they were 9 and talked about fear, hate, evil and freedom of speech before sending them to school," their father, Wayne Maines, 52, wrote in an email to ABCNews.com.

    "I was very angry and sad to have to talk to our small children in this manner," he said. "We also told them to keep their heads-up, be proud and take care of each other and their friends. I am very proud of them both because they have not forgotten that lesson and they continue to help others whenever it is safe to do so."

    Maines, who is director of safety and environmental management at the University of Maine in Orono, said his "biggest concern" was the safety of his son and daughter after the Globe ran its front-page story.

    A hunter and a political conservative, Maines told the newspaper that he at first had trouble calling Nicole by the name she adopted in fourth grade: "I was grieving," he said. "I was losing a son."

    But Nicole said, "The thought of being a boy makes me cringe."

    "It is important for people to understand some of the challenges we and other families are dealing with at home, at work and in our communities," Maines wrote, declining to do a full interview.

    "We need to watch for a little while to see how this recent step out in the world impacts their safety and ability to function normally at their new school," he said.

    He has warned his daughter since she began speaking out before advocacy groups and even at the Maine State House, to watch her back.

    A report by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force paints a bleak picture of life as a transgender person in the United States. The 2011 survey, "Injustice at Every Turn," found that discrimination is pervasive in "nearly every system and institution."

    Transgender youth, in particular, are at disproportionate risk for depression, suicide, substance abuse, HIV and sexually transmitted diseases, according to the Family Acceptance Project at San Francisco State University.

    And unlike in the Maines twins, many children do not get the vital support of their own parents and end up homeless.

    ABC's "20/20" recently profiled homeless teens, including 13-year-old June, of Portland, Ore., who is transgender. She faced bullying from her brothers and said she feels like an outsider in her own home.

    "They don't meet the family's expectation of how a boy or girl should behave," said Family Acceptance Project Director Caitlin Ryan, a clinical social worker. "They see them as disobedient or disrespectful or willful. To punish a child or force them to wear clothes that feel wrong for them and make them feel humiliated damages their self-worth."

    Ryan said there is a "dearth of information" for parents on how to deal with a child who is gender nonconformist.

    While Nicole has been sure about her gender since she was a toddler, her parents faced enormous confusion, wondering if their son had a feminine side, was gay or, as it turns out, was a female trapped in a male body, according to the Globe.

    Even their pediatrician wouldn't address the issue with them.

    She excelled in middle school, serving as vice-president in the fifth grade, but one day a bully called her "******" and told his guardian that Nicole was using the boys' room. The school required her to use the staff bathroom, then assigned an adult to follow her daily routine so she wouldn't be further bullied. Jonas was teased as well.

    The Maineses got the backing of the Maine Human Rights Commission, which agreed that Nicole had been discriminated against, according to the Globe. They joined the family in a lawsuit against the Orono School District, which is now pending.

    The Boston legal organization Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders (GLAD) is representing the family, which says the stigma got so bad after they took legal action that they had to move to a more diverse and open-minded town in southern Maine.

    "It's the first time they've gone to school since this story has come out and the family is understandably cautious of the kinds of reactions they might get based on past experiences," GLAD spokeswoman Carisa Cunningham told ABCNews.com.

    But Nicole has been sure from the start: "I've always known I was a girl," she told the Globe. "I think what I am aiming for is to undergo surgery to get a physical female body that matches up to my image of myself."

    Her mother, Kelly Maines, who is 50 and works in law enforcement, went online to learn more and came across the Gender Management Service at Children's Hospital in Boston, founded in 2007 by endocrinologist Dr. Normal Spack and urologist Dr. David Diamond, the first of its kind in the Western hemisphere.

    The clinic serves children with disorders of sexual development and physical deformities, as well as those with gender identity issues with a team of geneticists, urologists, endocrinologists and mental health specialists.

    At about 12, Nicole was given puberty blockers to stop the development of secondary sexual characteristics like male body hair, which can later make sex reassignment surgery more painful and expensive.

    Later in adolescence, she will begin estrogen treatment and continue on testosterone suppressers until she is 18 -- old enough for surgery.

    After the testes are surgically removed, there will be no need for the hormone blockers. But the entire procedure will render Nicole infertile, which is why she continues counseling to help her make a final decision.

    The majority of all children who express the belief that they are the wrong gender, will enter puberty and go on to identify with their biological gender, according to Spack.

    "Of all little kids who are gender variant, 20 percent will stick with it," he said. "Over 80 percent will accept looking like Jonas and would push talk about cutting off [their penis.]"

    That is why doctors wait for children like Nicole to show the first sign of puberty before giving them blockers and the treatments are reversible.

    But giving a prepubescent child hormones of the opposite sex has permanent effects like halting their development, closing up growth plates. Using puberty blockers "buys us time, so they can extend the diagnostic phase," Spack said.

    Spack said GeMS has sent a half dozen children all the way to sex change surgery from male to female. Using estrogen in combination with testosterone blockers allows them to develop curves and grow "normal" size breasts without implants.

    Surgery is also sophisticated. "They have learned to use tissue to form the vagina and some surgery is so incredible even gynecologists have been a bit fooled."

    Sensation tissue can also be preserved so male to female patients can experience orgasm. Even fertility may one day be resolved, he said.

    "Nicole has a hopeful future," said Spack. "The field is growing faster than I am getting old. Who knows about the future of reproductive endocrinology."

    The fact that Nicole and her brother are identical twins gives scientists a window into the causes of transgenderism. Though Nicole is the first in this clinic, twins like the Maines ones are not unknown.

    "Obviously everything isn't DNA," said Spack. "Parents tell you identical twins are different. But what this means in terms of transgenderism altogether, we are in a primitive state of understanding this."

    Several neurological studies from Europe show brain differences in transgender people, suggesting they may be "wired" differently. Spack said that he has noticed that about 10 percent of his patients display "something in the autistic spectrum, very mild, like Asperger's [syndrome]."

    As for Nicole, Spack said her strong voice helped the family support her and eventually seek help. She has even been able to attend a summer camp for transgender children -- Camp Arunu' Tiq.

    "She needed to push the envelope," said Spack, who now only consults on her case every few months. "I have this phenomenal image of her. I saw Nicole and other kids who had seemed reticent in my office playing the piano and doing dance numbers, just like at any other camp."

    Spack, who once yearned to deliver babies, said he gets a special thrill working with transgender children like Nicole.

    "It's sort of like being a midwife to a person who has the courage to give birth to themselves," he said.
    Do we make Nicole use the men's room or the ladies' room?

    Identical Twin Boys, One Transgender, Become Brother and Sister - ABC News
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