What do you think about Islam

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by snc128

maybe the right choice is leaving u in ur deep ignorance.but one of the best known Islamic philosophers Yunus Emre says 'love the created because of the Creator.'.it seems current muslims are not able to represent the core of Islam.
u tell what u see from two faced media,and say what some bad intended ppl want u to say .but have u ever searched what the almighty Creator says in Quran-ı Kerim.
i dont wanna have a debate about inventions of muslims.old ones have done what they had to do.some members gave linksforthem as u have noticed. unfortunately current muslims r not elite enough to represent Islam.
the problem is,roughly,some non muslims r too lazy to search Islam and appropriate to misuse and to be brainwashed by self seeker politicians and media.also ,some supposedly muslims r full of hate due to wars going on their territories and try to use power of Islam,Jıhad as a political tool.
however ,the dramatic point is both groups have not an acceptable relationship with Islam took place at Prophet Muhammad's era.

Which part of "kill the infidels" is it, that the islamists do not understand?

It is very clearly written in the quran...

[snc128]

Originally Posted by leibstandarte10

They made advances in astrology, math, and architecture. Gotta give em credit where credit is due.

But as for today... they're worthless.

nowadays,a generalization illness has been going on among ppl.i just cantfigure out why we need to classify ppl,especially scientific ones according to their religion although we dontknow that inventor was a religious one or did inventions for the sake of humanity .scientist is scientist ,imam is imam,nun is nun etc.scientists and religious ppl r pretty different in terms of profession they study.
most probably secularism was needed in order to break religion's affect on other professions. i mean classifyingppl according to theirreligion is either dangerous or absurd.
briefly,there r countless scientist who has a muslim origin.but his/her muslim or christian identity doesnt deserve to replace his/her scientific identity.
so,in my opinion ppl who compare concepts by considering religion r the most fanatic ones.
moreover,a humanbeing whatever its religion or race is,must never be considered as worthless . everyone is a hidden treasure.

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by snc128

nowadays,a generalization illness has been going on among ppl.i just cantfigure out why we need to classify ppl,especially scientific ones according to their religion although we dontknow that inventor was a religious one or did inventions for the sake of humanity .scientist is scientist ,imam is imam,nun is nun etc.scientists and religious ppl r pretty different in terms of profession they study.
most probably secularism was needed in order to break religion's affect on other professions. i mean classifyingppl according to theirreligion is either dangerous or absurd.
briefly,there r countless scientist who has a muslim origin.but his/her muslim or christian identity doesnt deserve to replace his/her scientific identity.
so,in my opinion ppl who compare concepts by considering religion r the most fanatic ones.
moreover,a humanbeing whatever its religion or race is,must never be considered as worthless . everyone is a hidden treasure.

This raises a problem. How do we get muslims to stop dividing people into halal and haram, believers and infidels, pure and impure? Muslim women can't marry a christian man. How do we change this? It is of course directly contradictive to the teachings of the quran to state, that all men and women are equal. The quran states, that christians, jews and all women are inferior to the muslim man.

The quran even say that jews are apes and pigs.

How do we get muslims to abandon these hopeless teachings of their "holy" book ?

[snc128]

Originally Posted by SilleEllis

Which part of "kill the infidels" is it, that the islamists do not understand?

It is very clearly written in the quran...

oh,what a bias.listen little idiot.i m not the lawyer of Islam,go and search by urself.u take one or two words from a sentence and blame Islam.oh,what an ignorance.
praying 5 times in a day(namaz) is one of the most important ruleof Islam.it is inevitable.
however,in a sentence Quran mentions' dont pray namaz.'.but the following of the sentence indicates that 'when u r dirty'.'understand!?

[snc128]

Muslim relations with the Kafir()kafir=infidel)
God does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness (birr) and deal with them justly; surely God loves the doers of justice. God only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust. (60:8-9)

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by snc128

oh,what a bias.listen little idiot.i m not the lawyer of Islam,go and search by urself.u take one or two words from a sentence and blame Islam.oh,what an ignorance.
praying 5 times in a day(namaz) is one of the most important ruleof Islam.it is inevitable.
however,in a sentence Quran mentions' dont pray namaz.'.but the following of the sentence indicates that 'when u r dirty'.'understand!?

"A lawyer of islam". "Praying 5 times in a day". It sounds to me as if you are against secularism? According to the rules of the separation of powers, a society divides power into the executive (or government), the legislature, and the judiciary powers.

Therefore there is no such thing as islamic law in a democracy. Laws are made by politicians. Not religious scholars.

[snc128]

Originally Posted by SilleEllis

This raises a problem. How do we get muslims to stop dividing people into halal and haram, believers and infidels, pure and impure? Muslim women can't marry a christian man. How do we change this? It is of course directly contradictive to the teachings of the quran to state, that all men and women are equal. The quran states, that christians, jews and all women are inferior to the muslim man.

The quran even say that jews are apes and pigs.

How do we get muslims to abandon these hopeless teachings of their "holy" book ?

firstly,u r so misinformed about Islam.
secondly,the term diversity has a meaning for u?
onething what makes US successful is the abilityof managing diversities.on the contrary,most Europeans want to create community which includes full of monotonous ppl.be more tolerantand live in harmony with ppl who r non christian. maybe this rescues old Europe.

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by snc128

firstly,u r so misinformed about Islam.
secondly,the term diversity has a meaning for u?
onething what makes US successful is the abilityof managing diversities.on the contrary,most Europeans want to create community which includes full of monotonous ppl.be more tolerantand live in harmony with ppl who r non christian. maybe this rescues old Europe.

Not true at all:

Study paints bleak picture of ethnic diversity

By John Lloyd in London

Published: October 8 2006 21:08 | Last updated: October 8 2006 21:08

A bleak picture of the corrosive effects of ethnic diversity has been revealed in research by Harvard University’s Robert Putnam, one of the world’s most influential political scientists.

His research shows that the more diverse a community is, the less likely its inhabitants are to trust anyone – from their next-door neighbour to the mayor.

This is a contentious finding in the current climate of concern about the benefits of immigration. Professor Putnam told the Financial Times he had delayed publishing his research until he could develop proposals to compensate for the negative effects of diversity, saying it “would have been irresponsible to publish without that”.

The core message of the research was that, “in the presence of diversity, we hunker down”, he said. “We act like turtles. The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don’t trust people who do look like us.”

Prof Putnam found trust was lowest in Los Angeles, “the most diverse human habitation in human history”, but his findings also held for rural South Dakota, where “diversity means inviting Swedes to a Norwegians’ picnic”.

When the data were adjusted for class, income and other factors, they showed that the more people of different races lived in the same community, the greater the loss of trust. “They don’t trust the local mayor, they don’t trust the local paper, they don’t trust other people and they don’t trust institutions,” said Prof Putnam. “The only thing there’s more of is protest marches and TV watching.”

British Home Office research has pointed in the same direction and Prof Putnam, now working with social scientists at Manchester University, said other European countries would be likely to have similar trends.

His 2000 book, Bowling Alone, on the increasing atomisation of contemporary society, made him an academic celebrity. Though some scholars questioned how well its findings applied outside the US, policymakers were impressed and he was invited to speak at Camp David, Downing Street and Buckingham Palace.

Prof Putnam stressed, however, that immigration materially benefited both the “importing” and “exporting” societies, and that trends “have been socially constructed, and can be socially reconstructed”.

In an oblique criticism of Jack Straw, leader of the House of Commons, who revealed last week he prefers Muslim women not to wear a full veil, Prof Putnam said: “What we shouldn’t do is to say that they [immigrants] should be more like us. We should construct a new us.”

The Financial Times Limited 2006

Link: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/c4ac4a74-570...0779e2340.html

[snc128]

Originally Posted by SilleEllis

"A lawyer of islam". "Praying 5 times in a day". It sounds to me as if you are against secularism? According to the rules of the separation of powers, a society divides power into the executive (or government), the legislature, and the judiciary powers.

Therefore there is no such thing as islamic law in a democracy. Laws are made by politicians. Not religious scholars.

u misunderstand me.i mean ,i dont have to defend Islam.search by urself instead of asking me.
Quran mentions 'dont pray 5 times in a day when u r dirty.'.i wish u understood me.if u take the part of 'dont pray' ,u can claim that Quran forbids praying but u must take sentence completely as u must do the for the sentence of 'kill the infidels'.

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by snc128

Muslim relations with the Kafir()kafir=infidel)
God does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness (birr) and deal with them justly; surely God loves the doers of justice. God only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust. (60:8-9)

How does this correspond with jihad against the infidels ? How does this correspond with the fact, that the quran say, that christians and jews should pay mere taxes than muslims ? How does this correspond with the fact, that the quran says, that jews and christians cannot hold authoritative positions over a muslim ?

If God forbids you to respect those who make war against you, how should christians regard muslims after 9/11, London, Madrid, Bali etc. ?

[northface]

From the article below:


Suicide bombers follow Quran,
concludes Pentagon briefing
Tasked with pinpointing motivation, analysts find
terrorists 'rational actors' following 'holy book'


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/pr...TICLE_ID=52184

[snc128]

those r all about the ability of managing diversity.it seems they have failed

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by snc128

u misunderstand me.i mean ,i dont have to defend Islam.search by urself instead of asking me.
Quran mentions 'dont pray 5 times in a day when u r dirty.'.i wish u understood me.if u take the part of 'dont pray' ,u can claim that Quran forbids praying but u must take sentence completely as u must do the for the sentence of 'kill the infidels'.

Oh, I see. You are one of those muslims who believe, that only the polytheists should be killed ? Hindus and buddhists and so on. That's only 1,5 billion people - give or take a few millions....

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by northface

From the article below:


Suicide bombers follow Quran,
concludes Pentagon briefing
Tasked with pinpointing motivation, analysts find
terrorists 'rational actors' following 'holy book'


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/pr...TICLE_ID=52184

I had that one ready too...

[snc128]

Originally Posted by SilleEllis

How does this correspond with jihad against the infidels ? How does this correspond with the fact, that the quran say, that christians and jews should pay mere taxes than muslims ? How does this correspond with the fact, that the quran says, that jews and christians cannot hold authoritative positions over a muslim ?

tell me at which part of the Quran ur claims exist.i dont wanna speak about sth would may be imaginary
.

If God forbids you to respect those who make war against you, how should christians regard muslims after 9/11, London, Madrid, Bali etc.

moreover,u put the words inmy mouth.i ve doubts u read what i ve written.
i ve doubts whether those actions were done bymuslims.
they may be created and made up either by two faced Gov.s or terroristswho call themselves Muslim or Jihadists.it seems they ve achieved to deceive innocents like u or u wanna look for some1 to blame.
anyway,tell me about Guantanamo,and secret prisons in the middle of Europe(in polond,chezch republic,UK etc.)=torture bases