What do you think about Islam

[gunnut]

Originally Posted by glyn

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
The only invention from the Islamic world that I can find is the explosives filled vest for suicide bombers. If you know of ANTHING else that has been invented by moslems, be sure to tell us.

I beg to differ.

Suicide bombing and suicide bombs are not invented by the muslims.

Suicide bombing was pioneered by the Imperial Japanese Navy pilots at the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Legend has it that a navy lieutenant (or captain) ran out of fuel in his Zero while strafing the air field. He waved and signaled to his wing man, pushed the stick, and crashed into a target.

Suicide bombs were also invented by the Japanese in WW2. Out of desperation, Japanese created the "banzai mine" which was essentially a bomb with a contact fuse mounted at the end of an 8 ft. pole, against American tanks. The explosion would destroy the tank and the attacker as well.

Bombing civilians was first started during the Great War when the Germans used zepplins to terror bomb Londoners.

I'm not quite sure on this, but suicide bomb belt and vest may have been invented by the Chinese against the Japanese during WW2.

So you see, the followers of religion of pis...I mean peace, didn't even come up with the devices and tactics they're most famous for.

Please note that I'm being facecious. I do not mean any disrespect toward the religion of pis...I mean peace and its followers. Please don't chop my head off or bomb me.

[SilleEllis]

Kill the infidels = love thy neighbour ?

Islam is not a religion, that compares to Christianity. They are opposites.

[glyn]

[quote=gunnut;296737]I beg to differ.

Suicide bombing and suicide bombs are not invented by the muslims.

Well, that rained on my parade! Is it safe to say that the entire Islamic world has never invented anything at all?

[astralis]

glyn,

they did some fine scientific and philosophical works back in their golden age. if you're talking today, to the extent one can talk about an "islamic world", yeah, it's been pretty pathetic.

then again, it says something that some of the islamic philosophies that are popular now would have been looked on with distaste by the islamic scholars of the golden age.

[SilleEllis]

This link is about Arabic inventions and science. Or rather the lack of it. Would it be all right to copy it and post it in full ?

Link: http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm

EDIT: It is now 22:42 in my country and I am half asleep. I see you again tomorrow...

[astralis]

http://www.nature.com/news/specials/...ine/index.html

see also the works of george sarton. weird enough, this page mentions it.

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/islam16.html

the islamic world, at least back in the day, was not as devoid of science as all that.

[leib10]

They made advances in astrology, math, and architecture. Gotta give em credit where credit is due.

But as for today... they're worthless.

[BenRoethig]

A religion is only as good as the people who follow it. In this case, Islam has been hijacked by murderers and thugs.

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by BenRoethig

A religion is only as good as the people who follow it. In this case, Islam has been hijacked by murderers and thugs.

No. They are only doing what the quran tells them to do. The good guys are the ones who do not follow its teachings. The quran does not discus weather to kill the infidels or not. It discusses how to.

And good night - I'm logging of for today. See you. Have a nice debate...

[astralis]

sille ellis,

i dare say the bible itself contained plenty of violence, and injunctions from yahweh to deal out death and destruction. passages from leviticus and deuteronomy come to mind, as examples.

you can find what you like in either religious text to justify your opinion. but in the end, what matters the most is not the text itself but how the texts are interpreted.

the crusaders and the inquisitors interpreted the bible to not just allow but celebrate conquest, but also the torture and death of unbelievers, while we christians generally don't believe in that today. golden era islam interpreted the quran as encouraging science and toleration, while many of their current-day counterparts interpret it as a force of fundamentalist extremism that calls for beheadings and veils.

[glyn]

Originally Posted by SilleEllis

This link is about Arabic inventions and science. Or rather the lack of it. Would it be all right to copy it and post it in full ?

Link: http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm

EDIT: It is now 22:42 in my country and I am half asleep. I see you again tomorrow...

The Arab world was responsible for much of the early mathematics, astronomy and even philosophy, but since 'the time of the prophet' it abruptly stopped, which is why I said the Islamic world.

[urmomma158]

Originally Posted by astralis

you can find what you like in either religious text to justify your opinion. but in the end, what matters the most is not the text itself but how the texts are interpreted.

the crusaders and the inquisitors interpreted the bible to not just allow but celebrate conquest, but also the torture and death of unbelievers, while we christians generally don't believe in that today. golden era islam interpreted the quran as encouraging science and toleration, while many of their current-day counterparts interpret it as a force of fundamentalist extremism that calls for beheadings and veils.

very true you seemed to pay attention in history class but i think you forgot changes in text and trust me there is evidence the bible has been changed. Besides all religions have their quirks. I studied Islam and it's not a bad religion really it's the followers that creep me out(extremist ones anyways).

[Ray]

Ah yes, 'the time of the Prophet' is an interesting phase of history.

Brought in the concept of universal invasion for a cause decreed by the same said Prophet!

And it continues till this day!

[SilleEllis]

Originally Posted by astralis

sille ellis,

i dare say the bible itself contained plenty of violence, and injunctions from yahweh to deal out death and destruction. passages from leviticus and deuteronomy come to mind, as examples.

you can find what you like in either religious text to justify your opinion. but in the end, what matters the most is not the text itself but how the texts are interpreted.

the crusaders and the inquisitors interpreted the bible to not just allow but celebrate conquest, but also the torture and death of unbelievers, while we christians generally don't believe in that today. golden era islam interpreted the quran as encouraging science and toleration, while many of their current-day counterparts interpret it as a force of fundamentalist extremism that calls for beheadings and veils.

The main problem is, that the quran does not allow interpretation. The text claim that everything in it comes directly from Allah. Mohammad did not twist anything. You are supposed to do as the book says. It demands that you take it literally. This is important. The sharia is a part of it. It is Allahs will and therefore not a bad thing. Allahs demand for beheadings is not violence, it is justice, the quran says. This is the explanation for the signs we saw under the London demonstrations under the cartoon crisis "Behead those who say islam is violent". The quran does not see beheadings as violence and many muslims follow that "logic".

This is extremely important when you hear a muslim say: islam is peace. What kind of peace, we should ask. We do NOT have the same perception of what violence, justice and peace is !

I do not see how The Old Testament is relevant here. As you know something happened after The Old Testament was written: Christ was born. That changed some of the jews and they became christians. Christians do not follow the teachings of The Old Testament. The jews do to a wide degree.

NB all: please correct my spelling errors. Tell me whats wrong...

[snc128]

Originally Posted by glyn

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
The only invention from the Islamic world that I can find is the explosives filled vest for suicide bombers. If you know of ANTHING else that has been invented by moslems, be sure to tell us.

maybe the right choice is leaving u in ur deep ignorance.but one of the best known Islamic philosophers Yunus Emre says 'love the created because of the Creator.'.it seems current muslims are not able to represent the core of Islam.
u tell what u see from two faced media,and say what some bad intended ppl want u to say .but have u ever searched what the almighty Creator says in Quran-ı Kerim.
i dont wanna have a debate about inventions of muslims.old ones have done what they had to do.some members gave linksforthem as u have noticed. unfortunately current muslims r not elite enough to represent Islam.
the problem is,roughly,some non muslims r too lazy to search Islam and appropriate to misuse and to be brainwashed by self seeker politicians and media.also ,some supposedly muslims r full of hate due to wars going on their territories and try to use power of Islam,Jıhad as a political tool.
however ,the dramatic point is both groups have not an acceptable relationship with Islam took place at Prophet Muhammad's era.