What do you think about Islam

[Srirangan]

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

This thread is about Islam, not Jinnah. You've corrupted this thread enough.

However to end I will add that your quote is totally irrelevant since it does not prove what Jinnah wanted out of Pakistan, but mine specifically states that Pakistan was not meant to be a theocratic state. Jinnah died in 1948, just 1year after Pakistan's formation.

This thread is about Islam, yet you were the first one to go offtopic and sing praises of "secular" Pakistan and "minority friendly" Paksitan. That was an open lie which I and some others rebuked. But then you failed to back up your post with facts and you rather challanged my stance. I did however back up my claims with relevant and credible sources, facts and figures.

And now you sing the you are going offtopic mate tune. Do you want to play fair or not? You dared me in that other thread for a debate, yet when I bring on the fact you backoff. And then you make those kiddish comments, trolls and pretend to be naive and all innocent. Trust me to call your bluff each time mate.

[Asim Aquil]

Originally Posted by srirangan

This thread is about Islam, yet you were the first one to go offtopic and sing praises of "secular" Pakistan and "minority friendly" Paksitan. That was an open lie which I and some others rebuked. But then you failed to back up your post with facts and you rather challanged my stance. I did however back up my claims with relevant and credible sources, facts and figures.

And now you sing the you are going offtopic mate tune. Do you want to play fair or not? You dared me in that other thread for a debate, yet when I bring on the fact you backoff. And then you make those kiddish comments, trolls and pretend to be naive and all innocent. Trust me to call your bluff each time mate.

This thread is about Islam, yet you were the first one to go offtopic and sing praises of "secular" Pakistan and "minority friendly" Paksitan.

I only praised the struggle, I still think Pakistan is religiously intollerant. Hence the fight. Why would there be a struggle without any issues? You've got issues pal, if you can't see anything positive about Pakistan, learn to roam around blindfolded, but don't spew your crap onto me. My claims were backed by the direct quotes of the original creator of Pakistan. You gave quotes which have nothing to do with the topic. You might as well be talking about the potassium content in Bananas.

[Srirangan]

I haven't given you crap. Far from it. I just called your bluff's. Jinnah was no angel. Quotes don't mean a thing. He was a politician, politicians change what they say depending on the audience that is listening.

Otoh I was refering to the actual substance of the matter. Was Pakistan secular before '71, hell no! Were there secular voices? yeah! But that don't imply that Pak was secular or that Pak was the haven for all minorities. No it wasn't. It was hell for all apart from Muslim. Soon it became hell for some sects within muslim too. These are facts brother. I'm off the internet for a while so you can take a break.

I apologise for being equal partner along with Asim in hijacking this thread. But hopefully some of you will have a good read.

[Asim Aquil]

Originally Posted by srirangan

I haven't given you crap. Far from it. I just called your bluff's. Jinnah was no angel. Quotes don't mean a thing. He was a politician, politicians change what they say depending on the audience that is listening.

Otoh I was refering to the actual substance of the matter. Was Pakistan secular before '71, hell no! Were there secular voices? yeah! But that don't imply that Pak was secular or that Pak was the haven for all minorities. No it wasn't. It was hell for all apart from Muslim. Soon it became hell for some sects within muslim too. These are facts brother. I'm off the internet for a while so you can take a break.

I apologise for being equal partner along with Asim in hijacking this thread. But hopefully some of you will have a good read.

I'm done.

[Somaton]

As many of you already stated, the problem doesn't lay in the religions themselves. We all have our own opinion of God(s).
Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc. are just the tools we use to stabilize the religious structure and reach consensus within every specific community.

None of the major religion breed villains by default. A part of the population will always find ways to cause trouble, it might be religion, politics, MC communitys, support groups for sporting teams and so on. Crime and terror is an effect of an unhealthy social environment.

I think one of the biggest problem is how the media networks choose to deliver the news feed. I guess that everyone will agree on that FOX news and Al-Jazirah (for example) are neither fair nor balanced in their view on the other part.
This demonization of the other side is, by far the most dangerous threat. Because it leads to ignorance.

[indianguy4u]

Originally Posted by srirangan

This thread is about Islam, yet you were the first one to go offtopic and sing praises of "secular" Pakistan and "minority friendly" Paksitan. That was an open lie which I and some others rebuked. But then you failed to back up your post with facts and you rather challanged my stance. I did however back up my claims with relevant and credible sources, facts and figures.

And now you sing the you are going offtopic mate tune. Do you want to play fair or not? You dared me in that other thread for a debate, yet when I bring on the fact you backoff. And then you make those kiddish comments, trolls and pretend to be naive and all innocent. Trust me to call your bluff each time mate.

SRI this kind of mentality means cowardice.

[indianguy4u]

Originally Posted by srirangan

I haven't given you crap. Far from it. I just called your bluff's. Jinnah was no angel. Quotes don't mean a thing. He was a politician, politicians change what they say depending on the audience that is listening.

Otoh I was refering to the actual substance of the matter. Was Pakistan secular before '71, hell no! Were there secular voices? yeah! But that don't imply that Pak was secular or that Pak was the haven for all minorities. No it wasn't. It was hell for all apart from Muslim. Soon it became hell for some sects within muslim too. These are facts brother. I'm off the internet for a while so you can take a break.

I apologise for being equal partner along with Asim in hijacking this thread. But hopefully some of you will have a good read.

sri even if u are muslims in pak its still hell . If not why r shias being killed by sunis everyday

[Amled]

Originally Posted by Ray

...If Islam was so bad, then someone should explain as to why it is the fastest growing religion in the world...
...Therefore, maybe there is something that appeals!...

My own take on that Ray, is that there will always be people who are looking for a deeper meaning to life. There was a time when a lot of these people turned to Communism/Marxism/Lennism to cover their needs. Also it seemed to offer and hope to the disenfranchised. When that belief system went belly up these people had to look elesewhere for something to believe in, and in the 90's Islam was in ascendancy so they jumped on to the bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, I don't that they are shallow or opportunistic believers. In the heyday of Communism/ Marxism/Lennism the true believers in that failed dogma were just as fanatic and devout as their opposite nummbers in the religious faiths.
Belief is the key. A deep and blind need to believe in something greater then yourself.

[Amled]

Originally Posted by Ray

...If Islam was so bad, then someone should explain as to why it is the fastest growing religion in the world...
...Therefore, maybe there is something that appeals!...

My own take on that Ray, is that there will always be people who are looking for a deeper meaning to life. There was a time when a lot of these people turned to Communism/Marxism/Lennism to cover their needs. Also it seemed to offer and hope to the disenfranchised. When that belief system went belly up these people had to look elesewhere for something to believe in, and in the 90's Islam was in ascendancy so they jumped on to the bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, I don't that they are shallow or opportunistic believers. In the heyday of Communism/ Marxism/Lennism the true believers in that failed dogma were just as fanatic and devout as their opposite nummbers in the religious faiths.
Belief is the key. A deep and blind need to believe in something greater then yourself.

[Amled]

Originally Posted by Ray

...If Islam was so bad, then someone should explain as to why it is the fastest growing religion in the world...
...Therefore, maybe there is something that appeals!...

My own take on that Ray, is that there will always be people who are looking for a deeper meaning to life. There was a time when a many of these people turned to Communism/Marxism/Lennism to cover their needs. Also it seemed to offer hope to the poor and disenfranchised of both the developed and undeveloped world. When that belief system went belly up these people had to look elesewhere for something to believe in, and in the 90's Islam was in ascendancy so they jumped on to the bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, I don't that they are shallow or opportunistic believers. In the heyday of Communism/ Marxism/Lennism the true believers in that failed dogma were just as fanatic and devout as their opposite nummbers in the religious faiths.
Belief is the key. A deep and blind need to believe in something greater then yourself.

[Amled]

Originally Posted by Ray

...If Islam was so bad, then someone should explain as to why it is the fastest growing religion in the world...
...Therefore, maybe there is something that appeals!...

My own take on that Ray, is that there will always be people who are looking for a deeper meaning to life. There was a time when a many of these people turned to Communism/Marxism/Lennism to cover their needs. Also it seemed to offer hope to the poor and disenfranchised of both the developed and undeveloped world. When that belief system went belly up many of these people had to look elesewhere for something to believe in, and in the 90's Islam was in ascendancy so they jumped on to the bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, I don't that they are shallow or opportunistic believers. In the heyday of Communism/ Marxism/Lennism the true believers in that failed dogma were just as fanatic and devout as their opposite nummbers in the religious faiths.
Belief is the key. A deep and blind need to believe in something greater then yourself.

[oneman28]

Same as Christian. Both are violent and still fighting each other after 1000s years for the religion reasons.

I like the peaceful Buddhism. Those Buddhists never push their belief to others.

[dalem]

Originally Posted by oneman28

Same as Christian. Both are violent and still fighting each other after 1000s years for the religion reasons.

Right you are. Just the other day the Pope called for more blood of the unbelievers.

Gimme a break. Xnty had its bloody adolescence centuries ago. Time for Islam to grow the hell up too.

-dale

[snc128]

Islam is the religion of peace.

[glyn]

Originally Posted by snc128

Islam is the religion of peace.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
The only invention from the Islamic world that I can find is the explosives filled vest for suicide bombers. If you know of ANTHING else that has been invented by moslems, be sure to tell us.