What do you think about Islam

[Asim Aquil]

Islam's da Bomb! :D

[Asim Aquil]

Islam is the most logical form of religious thinking out of them all. IMHO.

[Srirangan]

Is that so just because you are a follower? Or are you gonna post some links to Islamic websites to back it up?

[Major Dad]

It has a lot to due with poverty, lack of freedom and corrupt governments.


No because they are being opposed by other Muslims. Egypt, Indonesia, Syria, Algeria, Jordan and Morocco have Muslim majorities and yet deal with Muslim radicals. Muslim soldiers and police die fighting Muslim terrorists. .

These are the same corrupt governments you were *****ing about, and seem to be giving credit to for fighting the fundamentalists. Are they part of the problem, or part of the solution? Make up your mind.

Far less then that want to move back to the 10th century. And even of these groups not very many are fighting to live in the 10th century. Most are fighting to take charge of a nation or a province or whatever then throw on some burqas, smash some art work, burn some books and then make a lot of money off what ever they can..

Maybe so, but a significant number of them, and the most dangerous ones at that, since they are willing to engage in suicide attacks, are clearly motivated by something far more powerful than simple greed. To say that these people are "just BSing" about re-eestablishing the Caliphate is irresponsible.

[Муромец]

Islam is just another religion with it’s own “cockroaches inside head”. As any religion has pluses and minuses.
Maybe some day humanity will unite all off them in one monolith system.

Maybe something like in Kurt Vonnegut “Cat's Cradle”.

[dalem]

There are plenty of KKK, Nazi, militia camps and Abortion clinic bomber supporting groups still around. Why aren't they all dead? Just line them up and blow their brains out. Now we all know why, we have laws and locals have rights.

Right. They are tracked and watched, and when they break the law they are prosecuted. I must be missing the point of your challenge here.

Tribalism gets you Afghanistan not international terrorism.

It has a lot to due with poverty, lack of freedom and corrupt governments.And of course we have the Israel issue which has huge sales appeal to the locals. In non Muslim nations many of these guys would become communist guerillas rather then Islamic terrorists. Look why most of these guys come from nations we get along with great. Poverty causes kids in many nations to get sent to religous schools. And of course the fact that we support those awful local governments which are so disliked.

Right, what I said - tribalism gets you poverty which gets you pissed of people and strongman rule. That's the problem.

No because they are being opposed by other Muslims. Egypt, Indonesia, Syria, Algeria, Jordan and Morocco have Muslim majorities and yet deal with Muslim radicals. Muslim soldiers and police die fighting Muslim terrorists.

In Latin America during the Cold War we had Catholics killing Catholics in those bloody civil wars.

Fine. Doesn't detract from my point.

You said 2 sects . There are 2 major ones and a bunch of minor ones.

Two supersects. I already know that there are already major divisions within Islam and that they love to kill each other. What I would like to see is an emergent sect of Islam that doesn't want to kill anyone.

I don't want Islam to disappear, I just want it to stop embracing violence to the degree it does.

-dale

[TopHatter]

I don't want Islam to disappear, I just want it to stop embracing violence to the degree it does.

-dale

Exactly. Constantly screaming JIHAD!!! and looking for Westerners to decapitate tends to get old after awhile

[Lunatock]

Absolutely correct. Some of these militia groups and hate groups are downright scary. I love seeing these neo-Nazi and KKK scumbags getting carted off to jail to become somebody's bytch.

HOWEVER....

Show me one that has a one-day body count like Muslim terrorists

Can't top how quickly the victims of September 11th died. But numerically, it doesn't quite stack up to the Holocaust.

[Lunatock]

Maybe cause Christianity comes down so hard on suicide. I can tell you about some christians who do things like grab guns, charge into refugee camps and execute and mutilate thousands of unarmed civilians to scare the PLO, and who round up thousands of muslim civilians and make them disappear because the UN doesn't have enough soldiers in the country to stop them. And then I can tell you about some christians who try to exterminate entire ethnic groups with death camps, as well as some Jewish people who like to go into villages like Dir Yassin and kill a quarter of the population and expel the rest, because there weren't enough sane people around to stop them. And I can tell you about some Hindus who go around setting fire to train loads of people who follow different religions, and some Buddhists who make mass arrests and then leave dozens of their prisoners lying face down in water. I can tell you just as much about them as I can about muslims who set off car bombs in market places and nightclubs, and who set fire to trainloads of people who don't follow the same religion.
And I bet you won't listen.

And sometimes I get the feeling that any amount of effort applied to opposing terrorism isn't enough, always some clown who rants about Muslims ignoring acts of terrorism being planned and done in their midst.

[troung]

These are the same corrupt governments you were *****ing about, and seem to be giving credit to for fighting the fundamentalists. Are they part of the problem, or part of the solution? Make up your mind.

I was just laying everything out. Nasty corrupt governments are a big problem. And those governments have been dealing with terrorism for decades. Backing nasty corrupt governments has hurt America's rep around the world, ever wonder why Iran does not like us? Or why we lost our bases in the Philippines? The list goes on and on.

Right. They are tracked and watched, and when they break the law they are prosecuted. I must be missing the point of your challenge here.

So if you are a nation and there are groups on the radar, do you line them up and shoot them all before they do something or do you wait until they do something and arrest a few who are connected to the act while leaving scores of people around who are part of the group but didn't commit an overt act?

There seems to be a ring of war surrounding the middle east (former yugoslavia, chechnya, afganistan, problems in china (not publicised), india v pakistan, indonesia, malaysia, sudan, isreal), granted not all were started by muslims.

Peru vs. Ecuador, the Falklands, El Savladorian civil war, the Soccer War and civil conflicts all across Latin America. Those damn Catholics killing each other and other people. And of course then there is Ireland. And France goes to battle a lot.

There is a ring of war surrounding Catholics.

And America, Canada and Britain go into action a lot so really Christians must be messed up as well.

And I bet you won't listen.

I can tell you about Catholic South Vietnamese Army units attacking Buddhists and conducting mass arrests as well as murder.

[Ray]

I can tell you about some Hindus who go around setting fire to train loads of people

I am afraid you cant. It was the Moslems who torched the train and then there was the riots as a backlash, which was bad.

But then as Confed says there are always bad people.

That apart, Islam has to be understood in its historical perspective. Some of the current practitioners are misusing Islam to suit their purpose and agenda. It does not mean that ALL Moslems are bad or suicide bombers or terrorists for that matter.

If Islam was so bad, then someone should explain as to why it is the fastest growing religion in the world. Now don't give me that that they are increasing because they are having more children than others. That is old hat.

If one sees the US, one finds that many are converting to Islam. Therefore, maybe there is something that appeals!

some Buddhists who make mass arrests and then leave dozens of their prisoners lying face down in water

I have not heard of this. Therefore, could you give us a link?

I also don't think there is anything wrong with Christians. One or two going berserk, doesn't mean that as a religious group they have gone nuts.

Do keep to the facts rather than giving vent to loose statements. Or if what you say is right, then it is time you educate us with links so that we do not remain in the dark and look smug.

[dalem]

So if you are a nation and there are groups on the radar, do you line them up and shoot them all before they do something or do you wait until they do something and arrest a few who are connected to the act while leaving scores of people around who are part of the group but didn't commit an overt act?

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

If it's my generalizations or stereotyping that's getting to you, then too bad. I don't have the time to steep myself in the traditions of every religion, culture, or tradition. I see white robes and pointy hoods, I think "Klansman", I see a swastika, I think "Nazi", I see a guy holding a Koran and I think "terrorist". Intellectually I know that not all white robed people are Klansmen, that the swastika meant different things to other cultures before the Nazis used it, and that not all Muslims want to saw my head off on camera, but frankly, I don't care. And I'm a fairly reasonable man.

Islam needs to find and elucidate a new voice and new message TO ME for me to change my mind about it.

-dale

[troung]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

How to deal with the groups.

Islam needs to find and elucidate a new voice and new message TO ME for me to change my mind about it.

But one has to ask themselves why would over 1 billion people find a new message just for you?

I think the problem is that we don't see the majority of the people who are living their lives but a small radical handful who blow stuff up for various reasons.

[dalem]

But one has to ask themselves why would over 1 billion people find a new message just for you?

Ahh. The reason is so I don't vote in representatives and leaders who will have all those billion people exterminated.

I think the problem is that we don't see the majority of the people who are living their lives but a small radical handful who blow stuff up for various reasons.

A billion people. Even if they each whispered I'd hear it. They ain't whisperin'.

-dale

[Parihaka]

Islam is simply the latest religious crutch for violent groups, nearly every religion at some time or another has been used for the "God is on our side" excuse for killing. You need to look at the social structure of the areas concerned to see what breeds these killers. Sometimes, such as the Inquisition, the official religion sanctions murder, but the killers motivation is hate, and the religion merely self-justification.