A Biblical Seven Years

[TopHatter]

Can we please banish this troll? If his posts were about race he would already be gone. He is clearly in need of help that is beyond the ability of WAB to provide.

Bigfella, please don't ask for the banning of a member, it's against the forum guidelines remember.

[Blue]

Glad to see that this has evolved into actual discussion. I would like point out a few things here.

First, if we look at the two purposes that sex serves in regards to humans, one that is usually noted first is propagation of our species. Second to that is pleasure. If you choose to put put pleasure before propagation, so be it. It could be an indicator of your character. Humans are amongst the few species in the animal kingdom that derives pleasure from sex. Dolphins have been observed playing in a sexual manner, esp among young males, but this isn't about gay dolphins. Point here is that gay sex cannot lead to propagation of the species so the only point of it must be solely for pleasure. If you are of the mindset of "if it feels good, do it" then I believe there is a degree of selfishness there. Next question would be, can gays help the way they are?

Science says no. If the following isn't enough to support this claim, I don't know what is.
Homosexual brain resembles that of opposite sex: study
Homosexual Brains?
Symmetry Of Homosexual Brain Resembles That Of Opposite Sex, Swedish Study Finds
Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture in AllPsych Journal
The Homosexual Brain?


With that being said, of all the gays and lesbians I have spoken with about this, only one woman told me that she was actually heterosexual. She had no proclivity to be with a woman. However, as a young girl she was abused sexually by a male family member and cannot stand emotional or physical contact with a male. She met her current partner, a fairly masculine lesbian, years ago and are still together today. That, I concede, would bring up an argument for choice, but I would have to cite extreme psycological trauma as a contributor to that choice.

Second, Any person, gay or straight, that testifies to an agenda like the one Ivan posted, is a nut. That person is a threat, I don't care how you slice it. There is a big difference btwn trying to gain acceptance in a society and peacefully co-exist, and someone who wants to actively recruit young men for sex, and push such an agenda is dangerous and sick.

Third, Ivan is not a bigot for simply wanting to raise his children the way he sees fit, without the forceful influence of a party with opposing ideals. America is a free country and you have every right to teach and protect your children any way you see fit as long as it is not physically damaging to them. Just because a person differs in an opinion does not a bigot make.

Bigot; a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Since Ivan has friends who are gay, I wouldn't put him in this class. I have a friend who likes to eat bugs. I don't like to eat bugs and I think it disgusting, but we get along fine. (Now please do not compare eating bugs with being gay, it was just the only ex. that came to mind).

I would next like to address the question of will this lead to the decline of our civilization. Oh I guess it could be a factor along with a laundry list of other waayyy more serious problems. How about the acceptance of violence in our society. Movies and games depicting things that my mother would have covered my eyes as a child to spare me from, are now every single place you look. Language, Sex, indifference to human suffering, our children have become de-sensitized to so many things that nothing phases them anymore. I remember when the F-word caused people to gasp. Now its used so much its lost its shock value. George Carlins seven words you can never say on tv, there nothing you can't say on TV anymore. The United States has more people in prison than any other country in the world! Why is that? I would say, but I wouldn't want to be accused of being bigoted against criminals) (just kidding).

The only realistic effect that homosexualism could have on this could be a decline in population due to low birth rates. Criminal perversion is a very real factor here. A rapist is a rapist, gay or straight. A pedophile is a pedophile, gay or straight. Gays can get along just like anyone else in our society. If I was to parade down mainstreet in a wig, featherboa, highheels and a speedo(like I've seen in many gay pride parades) I would expect to be questioned. Sexuality has its place in society but not like that. Flamboyancy (of any kind) has customarily been something reserved for more exclusively adult venues. Why does it have to be on mainstreet?

[GraniteForge]

If any one is interested, here is just one of thousands of links to bolster this point.When Nations Die

Ivan

Thank you, that link was hilarious; real aluminum foil hat stuff.

[Bigfella]

Bigfella, please don't ask for the banning of a member, it's against the forum guidelines remember.

Sorry TH. Just venting. All better now.

[troung]

And hey it wasn't Christian's that crushed the weakened empires, but they fall from within and were further ground to dust by conquering opportunist that perceived the holes in the Armour and thusly thrust their swords in it.

Thusly thrusting into holes.... ewwwwww

“We shall sodomize your sons, We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your youth groups, Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will come to crave and adore us. All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men. Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable.... We shall raise vast, private armies...to defeat you. The family unit....will be abolished. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory....All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men. Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.”

Like the sort of epic "protocols of the elders of gay people" touch to that. I'll bet you touched yourself as you typed that.

neither can a woman and a woman.

But dammit that can be hot.

Or is school and government up for grabs for any new immoral revelation that comes down the pike?

Pike?!!?! ****ing gross.

My son dates a daughter of Ham

Like a black person?!?! JFC!!!?!?!!!11111oneoneone!!!11

When two homosexual men get old they're not much to look at. NOT VERY ALLURING.

Ummm, you put way too much thought into this... like how old dudes ain't doing the job for you...

But the young blood...HMMM

^^ ****ing gay ^^

When the judgment on homosexuality comes down on America or Europe it will not be Christian's making it. I am trying to reason with people on the subject because in my view immorality causes civilization to collapse.

Yawn. You have gay people way too much on the brain.

I believe your point is to pigeon hole me as a bigot.

Pigeon hole.

Well hold on Troung/Astralis,

Trust me, Astralis (a mod and all) wishes he were me.

Are you faking being two people?Caught? You betray your deception? Or is it just a coincidence?

Oh noees!!! Wez haz bens catghts!!111 **** he wishes, and you probably dream about it.

Can you be trusted?

Probably not.

I have friends that are homosexual.

Ummmmmm….


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Me I think women should be banned from wearing jeans, showing their hair in public, or working outside the home; just saying.

[astralis]

gunnut,

So San Francisco would crush Al Queda if they were to fight a war against each other?

are you kidding me, is that even a question? AQ would run away screaming