A Biblical Seven Years

[Blue]

[QUOTE]

Your thinking of the KC-135 not the 130s.

My bad! Damn I hate when I do that.

I never buy into the doom and gloom stuff. We do not have a monopoly on inventions. If someone else makes it, its not going to kill us.

I don't buy the doom and gloom either. I'm just saying we need to watch our back and not get complacent. Gettin' cocky always leads to a bloody nose sooner or later.

[Blue]

Brokensickle stated an opinion. It could be based on religion, it could be based on a bad experience, it could simply be how he was raised. Regardless, he came on here and said what he thought. One person here gave a mindful rebuke to his posts, the rest of you, and you know who you are, could do nothing better than come up with name calling and sophmoric humor. I think more than one of you could use the 800 help number posted, starting with the poster.

[HistoricalDavid]

Brokensickle stated an opinion. It could be based on religion,

That's one source of it. This is not the first time I've locked horns with him over the issue. Apparently government is also the handiwork of God according to him.

it could be based on a bad experience, it could simply be how he was raised. Regardless, he came on here and said what he thought.

Cry me a river. What else could he have been doing, knitting? Can I ask why opinions and the people who hold them, no matter how bigoted, are deserving some automatic hallowed respect. He said what he thought and what he thinks is tyrannical and repulsive.

One person here gave a mindful rebuke to his posts, the rest of you, and you know who you are, could do nothing better than come up with name calling

So what, Miss Manners? I questioned his deeply flawed view of history with a direct rebuttal, I asked him the obvious question to which he responded with more baseless statements, I did my share of rational argument.

You think it's acceptable to post utterly baseless disgusting condemnatory irrational bigotry but it's not acceptable to reasonably call a spade a spade?

[Julie]

Yall are off-topic. Some things need to be said by IM, not in public forum. Let's keep this thread on topic please, I do not think it is too much to ask.

[brokensickle]

[QUOTE=HistoricalDavid;540213]That's one source of it. This is not the first time I've locked horns with him over the issue. Apparently government is also the handiwork of God according to him.





Fist of all,
I do not wish the UK to fall to prove my point. What I have been saying is to the point of immorality is a precursor and barometer of its destruction.

You feel some how superior to those that don't believe your point of view.
While I feel sad for people of your point of view.

You come out hard against my criticism of general immorality. Yet outside of my opinion I wish no ill upon the immoral accept those who cause any physical harm to children or adults effected. Your insults and hate betrays you as intolerant. While what I have said may insult your sensibilities, they are not a condemnation but more a warning of the health of your nation or any other nation that supports your view.

I have not called for the death or removal of those who are homosexual.
Just keep it in the closet. Just leave my and others children alone and don't use the schools or government to push your radical perverted agenda. We have rights too. Rights to opinions, rights to our children, rights not to be harassed by homosexuals. And the more this homosexual agenda goes forward the more it infects the sensibilities of the innocent and those not desirous of being physically harassed by it.




Ivan

[gunnut]

gunnut,



true, but often doesn't. eisenhower's creation of a national highway system, originally funded and designed for national security purposes, had an extremely, extremely huge pay-off.

The Interstate can be argued constitutional because it "promote the general Welfare" of the Union. It does not supply money or material to specific individuals like many of the social programs we have now do. It can also be argued as promoting interstate commerce. But the federal government should not pay local and state governments to fix their roads. That's the local's responsibility. Bad roads just might prompt the people to get rid of bad management.

the practice of a monopoly breaks the competition inherent in the working of a free-market system. the government, on the other hand, is not a for-profit business and can't be compared to one.

Sure it is. It works for the profit of contractors. Everyone is looking for the federal dollars. The more there is, the more corrupt and inefficient it is. The more people get screwed over. It's exactly like a for-profit monopoly.

i agree that the government should have a very periphery role in the operation of a free market, however, there are a few things which the influence and the resources of government can bring to bear which the free market can't. major public infrastructure is one of them.

I agree. But even then we have to be very careful on what an "infrastructure" is. We shouldn't classify things like food stamps, social security, even public education as infrastructure.

[gunnut]

A major negative comparison of my country, the USA is the failed educational system. Several years ago testing of 12 grade students in Math and Science was conducted in the 18 major industrial nations. In both Math and Science scores American kids finished 18th. That was shameful. A year or so ago they did more testing and found out that we had dropped to 25th. Twenty-four other countries have better educated kids than ours. How can we remain a world leader in research, medicine, earth sciences, Particle Physics, and Biology with that scary result?

I bet most of these people are in public education system and believe in evolution.

At least half of Americans believe that the world is 6000 years old, unchanged (deny or never heard of plate tectonics or continental drift), can not locate Canada on a globe, and deny the overwhelming proof of evolution (natural or guided).

Strangely enough, I believe most of these people are above average in math and reading and go to private, religious schools.

I think the USA has become an intellectual Third World Country. All progress and success is the work of a minority of less than 5%. The rest are still stuck in the Middle Ages.

Aristarchos

Your posts was largely factual. The way it was presented, however, hints that religion causes stupidity when in fact they have nothing to do with one another.

[gunnut]

When did the macro-economic control policy take place in US? In 1939?

I don't think anyone addressed this question so I'll take a stab at it.

I would say in 1933 with FDR's New Deal based on Keynesian economics.

[GraniteForge]

Most religiously fundamentalist industrialised country <-> most porn produced.

Sure, we produce the most porn, but we have to import a steady supply of women from Eastern Europe to do it. We don't produce enough domestic talent to keep the industry alive at current levels.

[gunnut]

Sure, we produce the most porn, but we have to import a steady supply of women from Eastern Europe to do it. We don't produce enough domestic talent to keep the industry alive at current levels.

We outsourced our pr0n as well? Dear god will there be any government aid? Will Obama start new federal and state programs to encourage more domestic talent to develop?

This is serious, people!

[GraniteForge]

We outsourced our pr0n as well? Dear god will there be any government aid? Will Obama start new federal and state programs to encourage more domestic talent to develop?

This is serious, people!

Maybe its time to revive the idea of a year of national service, set up CCC-type camps to help nurture this new initiative. "Biden said he wrote a bunch of scripts for you to use in training, but we found out he just copied them from some old '70s videos."

[gunnut]

Maybe its time to revive the idea of a year of national service, set up CCC-type camps to help nurture this new initiative. "Biden said he wrote a bunch of scripts for you to use in training, but we found out he just copied them from some old '70s videos."

Are those British videos?

[antimony]

Who will be watching for unfair competitions? Don't forget that for business, the only thing they are considering are profits. Antitrust and environmental regulations won't com around if it was not for the government. During the great depression in the 30's, who brought the US back on its feet? It was the government's initiatives. However too much red tape is never a good thing, nor does a completely deregulation.

You are talking about government regulation, not involvement. It is still the governmenets job to ensure that regulations are in place that allow the industry to operate smothly.

Government's involvement in providing good and services, for the most part, is usually not efficient. India's poorly run PSUs come to mind. Even in Europe, which has a history of "successful" state run ventures, ownerships are changing to private hands.

What is "unfair" competition? As long as businessmen don't break any common laws (assault, murder, rape, racketeering) then it's fine.

Monopoly isn't necessarily bad. It is "assumed" to be bad in the late 19th century. Competition is assumed to be good. If monopoly is so bad, then why is our government, a monopolistic institution, growing bigger and bigger?

Environmental regulations will come around when people are ready, and not before. You can't have people paying attention to the environment before they can feed themselves.

By the way, FDR didn't bring the US out of a recession. WW2 did. FDR was in charge for 8 years and nothing changed. WW2 came and went in 4 years.

Banishing the government totally may also not be effective, all things considered. People, in general, will forego long term efficiencies in favour of sort term gains. The government should be putting in place the perspective that long term objectives are important and should be met.

Government can be business friendly too. In India, the Government is instrumental in facilitiating the process of acquiring land for setting up new industrial zones. Granted, there have ben major goof ups in many cases, but now Industry has a voice in the government

[Blue]

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That's one source of it. This is not the first time I've locked horns with him over the issue. Apparently government is also the handiwork of God according to him.

Well we do have "in God we trust" printed on our money. Our primary laws are based on the 10 commandments and the military and the presidential oath still have God in them. Our pledge of allegiance plainly says "one nation under god". So I would have to say that God did definitely have a role in our government.

Cry me a river. What else could he have been doing, knitting? Can I ask why opinions and the people who hold them, no matter how bigoted, are deserving some automatic hallowed respect. He said what he thought and what he thinks is tyrannical and repulsive.

So thats his opinion and this is yours. I can respect both, yet disagree with both, without childish name calling.

So what, Miss Manners?

Case in point!

I questioned his deeply flawed view of history with a direct rebuttal, I asked him the obvious question to which he responded with more baseless statements, I did my share of rational argument.

Too bad it couldn't be appreciated since it was mixed together with insults.

You think it's acceptable to post utterly baseless disgusting condemnatory irrational bigotry

And I'm sure you are model for Ghandi and the Dalai lama rolled up into one sunshiny package of tolerance.

but it's not acceptable to reasonably call a spade a spade?

Perhaps if you would call a spade a spade, instead of a spade a retard!


Just to clarify something before I come under personal attack, you should know something about me. I actually dislike organized religion and I am an agnostic. My wife is a catholic and my family for the most part is southern baptist. I have several members of my family who are gay and lesbian. I love them as much as any of my family but I do not condone nor condemn thier lifestyle as long as they are respectful of mine. I believe the U.S. is becoming morally bankrupt in more ways than one. Acceptance of crimes and murder is way worse than the sexual preference of some adults. Why do they let child molesters out of prison? Why do we put them in prison in the first place? If left to me there would never be a repeat offender unless they could offend again as a ghost! I give what I get but I try to find out why someone has that opinion or belief in leiu of snippy insults.

Julie ,
You are quite right, this has gotten off topic and I apologize, however I was not the one that got it off or did, IMO went a smidge too far past thoughtful discussion and just started throwing rocks. I will refrain from further discussion along this topic.

[gunnut]

Banishing the government totally may also not be effective, all things considered. People, in general, will forego long term efficiencies in favour of sort term gains. The government should be putting in place the perspective that long term objectives are important and should be met.

Government can be business friendly too. In India, the Government is instrumental in facilitiating the process of acquiring land for setting up new industrial zones. Granted, there have ben major goof ups in many cases, but now Industry has a voice in the government

I agree. That should be the extent of ensuring property rights and a uncorrupt court system.

Government should not be here to pick winners and losers in the society. Government should not be here to take money from the haves and award the have-nots.