A Biblical Seven Years

[astralis]

gunnut,

Roads can be private too. Freeways are a west coast thing. East coast has toll ways. Private ventures can actually develop infrastructure, believe it or not.

true, but often doesn't. eisenhower's creation of a national highway system, originally funded and designed for national security purposes, had an extremely, extremely huge pay-off.

What is "unfair" competition? As long as businessmen don't break any common laws (assault, murder, rape, racketeering) then it's fine.

the practice of a monopoly breaks the competition inherent in the working of a free-market system. the government, on the other hand, is not a for-profit business and can't be compared to one.

i agree that the government should have a very periphery role in the operation of a free market, however, there are a few things which the influence and the resources of government can bring to bear which the free market can't. major public infrastructure is one of them.

[Tomluter]

I don't know how to run major public infrastructure in US.

Big public projects in China, the investment are usually from local govs. But there was some change now,With the funds of non-governmental circles go stroge,more and more non-governmental circles funds joined the major public infrastructure.

The Hangzhou Bay Cross-sea Bridge that finished in 2008 is a typical case. the total length of 36km,its may be the longest cross sea bridge in the world.

The investment plus 11 billion yuan(about 1.5 billion usd).

The local gov didn't spend only one cent. In the investment, non-governmental circles occupied 51% of the investment, other from banks.

(the introduction video about the bridge by <Discovery Channel>):

[Ray]

The problem I have is why do we want more government in education when everyone agrees that our government-run education is F*CKING HORRIBLE!!!

To unF.... the horrible! )

[brokensickle]

gunnut,



true, but often doesn't. eisenhower's creation of a national highway system, originally funded and designed for national security purposes, had an extremely, extremely huge pay-off.



the practice of a monopoly breaks the competition inherent in the working of a free-market system. the government, on the other hand, is not a for-profit business and can't be compared to one.

i agree that the government should have a very periphery role in the operation of a free market, however, there are a few things which the influence and the resources of government can bring to bear which the free market can't. major public infrastructure is one of them.

As America adopts more socialist type policies, we become more ensnared in bureaucratic inefficiencies. On the other hand as China and Russia invest more in industry, innovation and national pride their economies boom, and so goes their military strength.

The Liberal set of our government loves to increase bureaucracy and can't find it in themselves to do anything for national pride, industry, and the like, but they do well to push perversion, government dependence, and general disdain for anything American. Mean while we decline under the liberal European socialist ideal world view and there is no denying that is a fact.

America fails as the socialist anti-American and sodomites increase in number.

The long and the short of it is China is coming out of socialist oppression as America heads into it.

The answer is to trash socialist policies and compete with the developing East. And for crying out loud consider perversion as abhorrent behaviour...it is the barometer of the destruction of nations.

Our competitors love our trip into the quagmire of socialist bureaucracism, personal irresponsibility/entitlement mentalities, anti-patriotism and sodomy. It gives them the edge they need to kick our lame arses around.

Put that in your Economy education pipe and smoke it. It may be some more obvious factors to success an economist might miss.


Ivan

[astralis]

ivan,

The answer is to trash socialist policies and compete with the developing East. And for crying out loud consider perversion as abhorrent behaviour...it is the barometer of the destruction of nations.

Our competitors love our trip into the quagmire of socialist bureaucracism, personal irresponsibility/entitlement mentalities, anti-patriotism and sodomy. It gives them the edge they need to kick our lame arses around.

Put that in your Economy education pipe and smoke it. It may be some more obvious factors to success an economist might miss.

LOL, next you're going to tell me....there's no gay men or women in china or russia.

also, regarding "america adopting more socialist type policies"....as troung would say, epic fail. (by the way, this chart is a bit dated, since 2003 government spending has fallen to approximately 18%.)

[brokensickle]

ivan,

LOL, next you're going to tell me....there's no gay men or women in china or russia.

Homosexuality is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall. We need to consider the practice as abhorrent as it is before we crumble. As I said it is a barometer of the condition. We can change the road were on, it's not to late to change the policies back to when America was a shining city on the hill. We won't be perfect this side of heaven, but we can surely reign in or desires and call perversion what it is. An whether or not China or Russia champion sodomy, which they don't. We don't have to celebrate sodomy. It will be a feather in our hat to not make it a national policy. We don't have to follow the Euro-model. And judging the condition of their countries it would be wise not to.

also, regarding "America adopting more socialist type policies"....as troung would say, epic fail. (by the way, this chart is a bit dated, since 2003 government spending has fallen to approximately 18%.)

The point is simple and provable that since we have accepted more socialist policies we have also declined. China and Russia has accepted more free market, capitalist policies and it is booming.


Ivan

[astralis]

ivan,

he point is simple and provable that since we have accepted more socialist policies we have also declined.

economic data says we haven't "accepted more socialist policies", in fact, we're more open now than ever in US history.

China and Russia has accepted more free market, capitalist policies and it is booming.

that much is true.

[Tomluter]

ivan,

economic data says we haven't "accepted more socialist policies", in fact, we're more open now than ever in US history.

that much is true.

Did the levers of national fiscal policy existence in the begining of the capitalist history?

[astralis]

as long as the government could tax, there's national fiscal policy.

but modern national fiscal policy began with the establishment of the fed in 1913.

[Tomluter]

When did the macro-economic control policy take place in US? In 1939?

[brokensickle]

ivan,

economic data says we haven't "accepted more socialist policies", in fact, we're more open now than ever in US history

.

Please explain, how economic data says we haven't accepted more socialist policies?

There have been attempts at down sizing government, but there are so many programs to cut, we've still have a major task before us. We must keep growing the economy while we are cutting government so as to employ the government employees that loose their government jobs. This is a case for stimulating business in the private sector.

This reversal is hampered by over regulation, taxation, fees and a out of control environmental policies base on theory and not in fact. IE. global warming. China and Russia talk the talk but don't do much to walk the walk in the global warming concern. It works in their favor to act concerned about global warming and then do nothing to stop producing "green house gas emissions"/CO2. Because they have discovered that to adopt the wacko environmental Kyoto protocol will hamper growing their economies.

It's so blatantly obvious as to what is going on.

American industry and production needs pick up steam in growing our own economy so we can compete with the rest of the world. And do it as eco-friendly as possible with out adopting wacko global warming policies.

I love a clean environment, I don't believe CO2 is causing global warming....It's the sun....Or a bloviating Al Gore....Or both.

Ignore!, Ignore!, Ignore Al Gore!

Invest!, Invest!, Invest in U.S.

Build it here and build it better, Build it here build it smarter, Make things to sell to China, work smarter and not harder, employ your own people, keep the money at home, that would be good for starters.






that much is true.

Thank you!



Ivan

[HistoricalDavid]

astralis I don't know how this bigoted nonsense passed over your head...

Brokensickle Your incompetent quoting makes it difficult to read your posts so if I've made a big mistake, I apologise. But the text posted seems par the course for your heights of Christian love and tolerance which we discussed a while back.

Homosexuality is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall.

Examples? Countries, concentrated in the West and a few other places which have strong gay rights laws - which I presume you mean to 'champion homosexuality' - are generally richer, live longer, wield more political, cultural, military and economic worldwide power, so on, so forth. One of the few exceptions I can think of is Singapore, which illegalises homosexuality - in addition to anal and oral sex, not to mention littering and undesirable music and literature, a theme well covered in the relevant thread on WAB.

We need to consider the practice as abhorrent as it is before we crumble. As I said it is a barometer of the condition. We can change the road were on, it's not to late to change the policies back to when America was a shining city on the hill. We won't be perfect this side of heaven, but we can surely reign in or desires and call perversion what it is.

Why is what consenting adults do in their own time your business?

Do you want to pry into their affairs? I'd say you're the pervert there. Or perhaps it's God's wish. After all, it's understandable that the creator of all the vast universe is very much interested where a particular person's genitals are up to.

An whether or not China or Russia champion sodomy, which they don't.

They also don't champion free speech or not 'disappearing' journalists. Should we follow their model?

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union didn't champion sodomy, either, should we pick up tips of civilisation from them as well?

We don't have to celebrate sodomy

What protecting it as an individual, private right?

It will be a feather in our hat to not make it a national policy. We don't have to follow the Euro-model. And judging the condition of their countries it would be wise not to.

Pray tell what is your amazing experience of the condition of our countries and why they, presumably as a result of our 'championing' of homosexuality, are so worse than America?

I like the more comprehensive social safety net here with regards to healthcare but I don't like the extreme gun control. I like the dynamic confidence of so many Americans in their daily lives, but I dislike the high-fructose corn syrup Coke and deeply weird political process among other things. What I can't fathom is what homosexuality has done to influence the broad picture of what it's like to live in either of these places.

[Bigfella]

Brokensickle wrote:

Homosexuality is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall.

Religious freedom is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall.

Democracy is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall.

A classless society is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall.

Miscegenation is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall.

Racial equality is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall.

Gender Equality is championed in America as an acceptable practice. Historically when a nation heads this way it is apt to soon fall.

See a pattern folks? Same tired arguments generation after generation by the same sorts of people. The world is changing, the sky is falling, the end is near...blah blah blah.

Want a short ride to the dustbin of history? shut out any percentage of your population from full participation in society. The inclusion of the 'lower orders', women & ethnic minorities as more or less full participants in Western societies over the past 60 years has given them an edge over much of the rest of the world.

And now for the real kicker - cities that have significant & visible gay populations are often more creative and, in the modern knowledge economy, more economically productive:

Talented people seek an environment open to differences. Many highly creative people, regardless of ethnic background or sexual orientation, grew up feeling like outsiders, different in some way from most of their schoolmates. When they are sizing up a new company and community, acceptance of diversity and of gays in particular is a sign that reads "non-standard people welcome here." - Richard Florida

"The Rise of the Creative Class" by Richard Florida

No doubt the hard core bigots hereabouts will struggle with this. Singapore would disagree. Yes, the little country with the big economy is considering lifting its ban on honosexuality. Why? because it thinks the above study is correct.

Singapore considers legalizing homosexuality: Lee | Special Coverage | Reuters

Still, I'm sure the bigots know better.

[astralis]

historical david,

thus what i said to brokensickle:

"LOL, next you're going to tell me....there's no gay men or women in china or russia."

economy of words, dear chap.

[HistoricalDavid]

Oh fair enough. I won't take up more of your precious time as an almighty moderator.