My people wouldnt say that, we were persecuted beyond belief, But lets just say all's well that ends well.Originally Posted by troung
No beggars, no thieves - a utopia before England arrived) .
No thieves might be difficult to believe, even "no beggars" perhaps. However it was a very rich and prosperous country. There was a reason Europe was falling over itself looking for India and China.No beggars, no thieves - a utopia before England arrived
If you're so inclined you should read Indika by Megasthenes(or atleast what survives of it). Like all ancient authors he sometimes has a tendency to hyperbole, but it's interesting none the less.
"Of all the manifestations of power, restraint impresses men the most." - Thucydides
China and India were the superpowers of yester-years having economies and wealth beyond belief. It has been the case for centuries, we all know what happened in the last 400 years
It would have been simpler, and less humiliating, to just admit that you were wrong. By displaying your ignorance of western civilization you have simply made a fool of yourself.
A few points:
1) Read the first line of names on my list. What nation were they leaders of?
2) You have conveniently ignored the large number of names on my list who are/were neither communist nor Israeli.
3) When did Marxist/Leninist thought cease to be part of the Western intellectual tradition?
4) When did Eastern Europe cease to be a part of Western civilization?
5) You specifically targetted the Christian world. With the exception of Israel I gave you leaders of nations that were either part of the Christian world prior to communism, or part of Europe. Your response conveniently re-defined the parameters of your original statement when I proved you wrong.
6) What was the primary religion of Eastern Europe before, during & after communism?
7) Israel is very much part of the West. You might want to look up the place of birth of virtually all those Israeli leaders I listed.
I gave you a lengthy yet incomplete list and you just fobbed it off. You wanted just one, I gave you dozens. You didn't specify that they had to be good or nice, just not Christian.
Congratulations on dealing yourself out of serious discussion on this issue. How about you stop lecturing the rest of us & do the basic reading required to discuss the topic.
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I'll try this once more. I am not Scottish, because I don't live in Scotland. I am not Roman/Italian or Greek, because I don't live in those countries. I am not English because I do not live there. I am a New Zealander because that is where I live.
However, my ancestors came from those countries, and France and the rest of Europe and probably elsewhere as well. Hell, like most other European descendants I'll probably have Mongol blood as well.
The point is that all those countries and races fought against and conquered/were conquered by each other, interbred with each other, traded with each other and swapped ideas, concepts and traditions with each other. As such, my genetic heritage and ancestral traditions belong to me. They are my birthright.
Many of their traditions and codes of behaviour were left by the wayside because one of my other ancestors came up with something better: I don't wear a kilt, nor a flax skirt because pants are better: I don't go on crusades, nor own slaves because I find such ideas abhorrent: I don't wear a sword, nor do I attend church because I have no need to do so: I don't live in a stone house, but in a wooden one because it doesn't fall over during earthquakes. That is the process of evolving.
Do you know how ridiculous and ignorant you sound telling me I cannot lay claim to my own cultural heritage, my own ancestral lineage, simply because I live in a different part of the world to where some of my ancestors did?
Agreed Sir, I'd just add one must learn also from ones ancestors.
The Mughals were hardly enlightened despots, and most of the Indian states in existance prior to English and Portugese arrival weren't particularly broad based. I think it would be more fair to say that sections of India were wealthy, sections of it were very poor, and India's outlook for the future (without Europeans) was mixed.
Originally poster by Bigfella
You say who have listed many...Like who????1) Read the first line of names on my list. What nation were they leaders of?
2) You have conveniently ignored the large number of names on my list who are/were neither communist nor Israeli.
3) When did Marxist/Leninist thought cease to be part of the Western intellectual tradition?
4) When did Eastern Europe cease to be a part of Western civilization?
5) You specifically targetted the Christian world. With the exception of Israel I gave you leaders of nations that were either part of the Christian world prior to communism, or part of Europe. Your response conveniently re-defined the parameters of your original statement when I proved you wrong.
6) What was the primary religion of Eastern Europe before, during & after communism?
tell me..
Why dont you let us know where they come from.
They are mostly Eastern European of Christian Parents who chose to be athiest because of communism or Israeli Jews who are hardly promininent in nature. ANyways that is a completle different debate.
Sir we will always look at colonialism in different ways, just because how they affected our lives differently.Congratulations on dealing yourself out of serious discussion on this issue. How about you stop lecturing the rest of us & do the basic reading required to discuss the topic.
Originally quoted by Parihaka
I have no intention to tell people what they should believe in or which culture or heritage they chose. But to change ones heritage like clothes ( like you have done) is innapproriate.Do you know how ridiculous and ignorant you sound telling me I cannot lay claim to my own cultural heritage, my own ancestral lineage, simply because I live in a different part of the world to where some of my ancestors did?
In the beggining you started with being Scotish. Then you were English and then Maori. Now you have even added French to the list. My friend all I am saying is that these cultures are very different from each other and it is not possible to be from all of them. That is just my opinion.
regards,
Orinially posted by Parihaka
Yes you are a Mongol..and Im am a Martian. ha ha ha haHowever, my ancestors came from those countries, and France and the rest of Europe and probably elsewhere as well. Hell, like most other European descendants I'll probably have Mongol blood as well.
Go troll another forum racist.
Let's wrap this one up, shall we?
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