Anti-smoking rules move into rentals

[Traps]

I'm quitting at my funeral - they're throwing the last carton into my coffin...just in case....

[glyn]

[quote=Traps;458545]I'm quitting at my funeral

Really? Ive already told people that I want to be cremated, so I'm going with the smoke!
(And I hope that it gets in the nostrils of the non-smokers!!)

[Gun Grape]

Here are my thought on the subject. Its a sorry world.Thanks to Mr Tim Wilson

Might not be a work safe video. No curse words, a quick pic of a scantly clad woman.

[toemag]

[quote=glyn;458601]

Originally Posted by Traps

I'm quitting at my funeral

Really? Ive already told people that I want to be cremated, so I'm going with the smoke!
(And I hope that it gets in the nostrils of the non-smokers!!)

One of the saddest and happiest days of my life was the day that we Christened my first born Son, the saddest because my dad passed away in the early hours of that day. My folk's back home in the UK decided to call me straight after he'd gone instead of waiting until later in the day, until after the Christening, I was a mess.

Facts about my Dad, he started smoking at the ripe old age of 9, Capstan and woodbines, he was a 2 packs a day man and had cancer diagnosed at 53, he passed away at 57, smoked his last smoke on the Wednesday evening and went to bed, never to awaken again and passed away on the Sunday. That was 10 years ago and I miss him every day. He was cremated and my mum did slip him a pack into his suit jacket pocket, just prior to his cremation.

My Grandfather was also a smoker he died of a massive heart attack combined with a stroke at the age of 67, that was also on a Sunday.

I'll be turning 47 in a few years, and am planning on living longer than my father and grandfather, but who knows.

Tony

[tankie]

[quote=toemag;458798]

Originally Posted by glyn

One of the saddest and happiest days of my life was the day that we Christened my first born Son, the saddest because my dad passed away in the early hours of that day. My folk's back home in the UK decided to call me straight after he'd gone instead of waiting until later in the day, until after the Christening, I was a mess.

Facts about my Dad, he started smoking at the ripe old age of 9, Capstan and woodbines, he was a 2 packs a day man and had cancer diagnosed at 53, he passed away at 57, smoked his last smoke on the Wednesday evening and went to bed, never to awaken again and passed away on the Sunday. That was 10 years ago and I miss him every day. He was cremated and my mum did slip him a pack into his suit jacket pocket, just prior to his cremation.

My Grandfather was also a smoker he died of a massive heart attack combined with a stroke at the age of 67, that was also on a Sunday.

I'll be turning 47 in a few years, and am planning on living longer than my father and grandfather, but who knows.

Tony

Sorry to hear that Tony ,hope you dont succumb ? as you know my wife died in Herford aged 27 , she smoked ,,,, yup they really are a delightful package of ,,,,, DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ,,,,, noxious bloody things , hooray for the BAN.

[Brian Douglas]

What the hell has killing Jews got to do with the subject??
Smoking is a harmfull habit to ones health and also a personal issue that everyone must make a choice about.
Why countries dont have a refferendum on the issue and let voters decide beats me!!

[tankie]

[quote=Brian Douglas;458835]What the hell has killing Jews got to do with the subject??
Smoking is a harmfull habit to ones health and also a personal issue that everyone must make a choice about.
Why countries dont have a refferendum on the issue and let voters decide beats me QUOTE]

Yes you are perfectly correct its a personal choice , but it does not have to be inflicted on others personal choices , the sensible people who choose not to smoke .

[SteaminDemon]

3 Important words, and a right that was given to we the people. FREEDOM OF CHOICE!! Ban this, ban that, ban ban ban. Take your bans and stick em'. A business owner should have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE wheather or not his establishment is smoke free, or permits smoking.

Now get this....the consumer.....listen close.....has the FREEDOM OF CHOICE as to what establishment they would like to go to. If the person is a non smoker, they can choose not to go to the establishment or vice versa........INSTEAD, those who can not think for themselves and would rather have bans and laws made so everyone is affected by their inability to make a simple decision.

This is rediculous. And the people that are complaining even more so. Can you not choose for yourselves? Big brother likes those types of people, this way more fee's and laws can be passed as they see fit.

How about the animals that crap all over the place? Well, what if they would have a national pet owner fee, because every time your dog pisses on the grass it leaves a dead spot. Everyone and their mother would be hollaring about that. Take those fees and shove em.

[tankie]

Originally Posted by SteaminDemon

3 Important words, and a right that was given to we the people. FREEDOM OF CHOICE!! Ban this, ban that, ban ban ban. Take your bans and stick em'. A business owner should have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE wheather or not his establishment is smoke free, or permits smoking.

Now get this....the consumer.....listen close.....has the FREEDOM OF CHOICE as to what establishment they would like to go to. If the person is a non smoker, they can choose not to go to the establishment or vice versa........INSTEAD, those who can not think for themselves and would rather have bans and laws made so everyone is affected by their inability to make a simple decision.

This is rediculous. And the people that are complaining even more so. Can you not choose for yourselves? Big brother likes those types of people, this way more fee's and laws can be passed as they see fit.

How about the animals that crap all over the place? Well, what if they would have a national pet owner fee, because every time your dog pisses on the grass it leaves a dead spot. Everyone and their mother would be hollaring about that. Take those fees and shove em.

I bet you smoke dont,cha ?

And the people who complain are NOT ridiculous , sensible , yea , why is it that if a person wants to go to a pub frinstance ( freedom of choice and a person who can think for himself , well guess what , i think the govt was totally correct to ban it in public places) has to put up with smokers filthy habits ,(not anymore tho ) they are not just for people who smoke , if a person wants it ,, great , go ahead and shove it down their lungs in the comfort of where smoking is allowed ( their homes ) Selfishly Go and fill their children full of the sh1t fumes ,

Honest , i promise and do swear NOT to invade their space with fresh air ? ,They can get on with it , but i for one DONT want their 2nd hand carconogenic fumes invading my fresh air , which is what lungs were invented for in the 1st place .

Oh BTW people in the UK can and do get fined for dogs crapping all over the place , if they do not clean it up .

Have a nice day .

[SteaminDemon]

Originally Posted by tankie

I bet you smoke dont,cha ?

And the people who complain are NOT ridiculous , sensible , yea , why is it that if a person wants to go to a pub frinstance ( freedom of choice and a person who can think for himself , well guess what , i think the govt was totally correct to ban it in public places) has to put up with smokers filthy habits ,(not anymore tho ) they are not just for people who smoke , if a person wants it ,, great , go ahead and shove it down their lungs in the comfort of where smoking is allowed ( their homes ) Selfishly Go and fill their children full of the sh1t fumes ,

Honest , i promise and do swear NOT to invade their space with fresh air ? ,They can get on with it , but i for one DONT want their 2nd hand carconogenic fumes invading my fresh air , which is what lungs were invented for in the 1st place .

Oh BTW people in the UK can and do get fined for dogs crapping all over the place , if they do not clean it up .

Have a nice day .

People don't get fined when the dog urinates in the grass though. Here is the whole point, if the business owner wants to permit smoking in their establishment, they should have that right. It is the same as if a business owner does not want to permit smoking in their establishment. Why do we need a law for such a common sense thing? Being you dont want the 2nd had smoke invading your fresh air as you say, you dont have to go to that place of business. It's really simple if you think about it. Freedom Of Choice.

Maybe we should ban car's, trains, trucks, and anything else that emits pollutants with your way of thinking. There are a lot worse things out there than smoke from cigarettes. They say that plastic can cause cancer. Let's make a plastic fee too while were at it, or just ban it.

[gunnut]

It's a hypocritical world. We want to have the freedom to choose marijuana but at the same time ban cigarettes. The same crowd who yells "pro-choice" all day and all night long loves to ban stuff they don't agree with.

[SteaminDemon]

Very true gun nut, thank you. The only ban I would consider is a ban on bans.

[THL]

Originally Posted by gunnut

It's a hypocritical world. We want to have the freedom to choose marijuana but at the same time ban cigarettes. The same crowd who yells "pro-choice" all day and all night long loves to ban stuff they don't agree with.

How does one keep his smoke to himself though? There was more than one occasion when I was sitting on my living room couch and smoke was pouring in my windows from the people upstairs who had 6 or 7 people on their balcony smoking. I didnt sit in the smoking section of restaurants when there were those in IL and I dont ever allow anyone to smoke around my slightly athsmatic daughter. Why should I have to have it pumped into my home unwantingly? Why should I be forced to close my windows to avoid it? I do believe that people should be able to do whatever they want in their privately owned homes. As long as that does not affect the rights of their neighbors. I have the right to live a smoke free life.

The reason for the certain pet buildings in apartments are because some people are highly allergic and even a little pet dander coming into the hallway could send them off into an allergic fit. What about the people allergic to smoke, which is just as difficult to contain as pet dander. Or the people with athsma?

[tankie]

[quote=SteaminDemon;458866]People don't get fined when the dog urinates in the grass though. Here is the whole point, if the business owner wants to permit smoking in their establishment, they should have that right. It is the same as if a business owner does not want to permit smoking in their establishment. Why do we need a law for such a common sense thing? Being you dont want the 2nd had smoke invading your fresh air as you say, you dont have to go to that place of business. It's really simple if you think about it. Freedom Of Choice.

Maybe we should ban car's, trains, trucks, and anything else that emits pollutants with your way of thinking. QUOTE]

Ever seen the advertisements for electric cars etc etc , now i wonder why people are going towards them in manufacturing ? and it aint just my way of thinking , its millions , (but i have never said BAN it ,or BAN that ,or any other sort of BAN , i said im glad its been BANNED in public places , like i say if you want that filth , you go fetch tiger ) , including just about every govt in the world ? And also ref your freedom of choice , yup i agree 100 % we all have that choice , so i ask the smokers to make a choice , choose to go elswhere from me ,because the way you put it is , if i dont like it i can go elsewhere , well guess what , so can they , see , it works both ways . The law as you put it , is there to make sure people who do not smoke , dont get 2nd hand smoke , because smokers being the self centered people they are cant think for themselves ( must be all the nicotine poisoning their last remaining brain cell ), they think they have a god given right to inflict it on everyone nearby .Why do they not understand ( some do )that people do not want it invading their clean AIR . and if a business owner wants to have smoking in the workplace , once again what right does he/she have , to inflict it on people who do not smoke , smoking is an unattural act , working to survive is not .

Agreed on the pissy dog tho ?

Have a nice day .

[tim52]

Originally Posted by SteaminDemon

3 Important words, and a right that was given to we the people. FREEDOM OF CHOICE!! Ban this, ban that, ban ban ban. Take your bans and stick em'. A business owner should have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE whether or not his establishment is smoke free, or permits smoking.

While I agree with your sentiment I believe business owners would have problems trying to enforce a ban on smoking if there is not some supporting legislation that allows them to do so. I also expect that many business owners secretly support the banning of smoking in their establishments as they do not have to confront the issue head on and deal with upset patrons.