Is calling "Monkey" is racism?

[Exarecr]

Man oh man , and I thought we Canucks(didn't hurt a bit)had the market on crazy when it came to sports freaks and geeks. Gamesmanship in the fast and somewhat rough sport of hockey is excepted by all until colour-full expletives become racial. Punishment is handed out and every one moves on. To elevate heat of the moment outbreaks of raw human emotion, driven by fierce concentrated competition to Nationalistic levels is stupid,but ingrained behaviour that a couple of centuries ought to clear up. Until then.......chill folks. It's just a game.

[dave lukins]

Originally Posted by Exarecr

ingrained behaviour that a couple of centuries ought to clear up. Until then.......chill folks. It's just a game.

Only when the "battle" is won is it a game This is a sport that has 100million players.

[Exarecr]

Not knocking the sport mate,I can't even figure it out. I just find the human element with respect to our antics in sports shows how we have generally have not changed much over the years.

[Tronic]

Tendulkar again sent back by the umpire; I say again, its time to start using the third umpire for all decisions; the umpires on the field are pretty useless and quite pathetic.

[dave lukins]

Originally Posted by Tronic

Tendulkar again sent back by the umpire; I say again, its time to start using the third umpire for all decisions; the umpires on the field are pretty useless and quite pathetic.

We will end up with matches played on a big screen with virtual players and the only real games will be played on village greens

[Ray]

Well, Herbie did not call him a "monkey".

He was merely saying "Tere Ma Ki".

That is a common Punjabi exclamation!

But then Punjabis will be Punjabis!

[dave lukins]

Originally Posted by Ray

Well, Herbie did not call him a "monkey".

He was merely saying "Tere Ma Ki".That is a common Punjabi exclamation!

But then Punjabis will be Punjabis!

Which means exactly? shall we assume it doesn't mean "have a nice day"

[Ray]

Originally Posted by dave lukins

Which means exactly? shall we assume it doesn't mean "have a nice day"

Dave,

The day you don't understand what it means, it will be THE DAY!

Yes, it means have a good day!

Doesn't it?

[Bigfella]

Originally Posted by Tronic

Tendulkar again sent back by the umpire; I say again, its time to start using the third umpire for all decisions; the umpires on the field are pretty useless and quite pathetic.

No, what is pathetic is people who want to reduce a fine sport to a sterile computer game because they don't like the result.

If you were really concerned about the quality of umpiring you would also have mentioned that Dravid was plumb LBW later in the day & not given. This isn't about the standard of umpiring, it is about supporting an artificially created sense of victimhood.

Unfortunately, events over the past decade have repeatedly shown the ICC to be utterly craven in the face of whinging from South Asian nations. Rules have been changed, nations have been allowed to pick & choose umpires & the authority of officials has been undermined. In time you will probably get your wish. Who will you blame when your team can't win then?

[Tronic]

Originally Posted by Bigfella

No, what is pathetic is people who want to reduce a fine sport to a sterile computer game because they don't like the result.

A sport becomes "fine" when it is played on the basis of skills, and not on which side the umpires are favoring. It can only get better; why would you oppose something which makes skill more primary then it is?

If you were really concerned about the quality of umpiring you would also have mentioned that Dravid was plumb LBW later in the day & not given. This isn't about the standard of umpiring, it is about supporting an artificially created sense of victimhood.

If he was out, he was out, you think that makes me back on my stance on making the game fair? The moment one starts complaining is at the number of decisions which go against the team, and the number of decisions which go for. Just check the last match and tell me how many decisions went against us, and how many for us? If you just look at that game, due to the umpire's decisions, India literally only got one innings of play. Yet, when Australian batting line-up was totally annihlated in the first innings, the umpires kept Symonds on the pitch despite him being clearly out 3 times! Bucknor was blind, and that is the reason he is flying back home.

Unfortunately, events over the past decade have repeatedly shown the ICC to be utterly craven in the face of whinging from South Asian nations. Rules have been changed, nations have been allowed to pick & choose umpires & the authority of officials has been undermined.

Funny how just seconds ago you talked about an "artificially created sense of victimhood." Yes, how unfortunate bigfellow that with the independence, growth and emergence of South Asia, never again will another Donald Bradman happen.

In time you will probably get your wish. Who will you blame when your team can't win then?

God, and ofcourse the players. But then, loosing in such circumstances means that we lost because of our players and can improve; when one's players are playing in-form and thrown out of the match by blind umpires, then one can hardly blame the players!

[JBG]

Ummm, having read this thread to now I'm not going to bother to deal with some aspects of some posts etc.

Things are somewhat partisan.

As a Sydneysider, summer means, inter alia, watching cricket. I watched the first two tests and I am watching the current test.

Latest, Oz all out for 212 - what a paddling!! India is in control of this Test at the moment. What can we do? - that is the cricket I want to watch.

As to umpiring. As a long time fan of NFL, I say bring into cricket whatever is needed to ensure that the right decision is made every time. Delay? That is now a concern of cricket?

And if what is said between cricketers is sufficiently an issue, there are microphones there already to catch all that is said, as long as they are always turned "on".

Anyway, let us see what the Indian's second innings brings. As an Aussie I would, to be honest, prefer to see Australia win, but a ton to Tendulkar would be a special moment. I can sleep with him costing Australia a victory as long as I can watch him bat at his best.

Jonathan

[devgupt]

Originally Posted by Bigfella

No, what is pathetic is people who want to reduce a fine sport to a sterile computer game because they don't like the result.

If you were really concerned about the quality of umpiring you would also have mentioned that Dravid was plumb LBW later in the day & not given. This isn't about the standard of umpiring, it is about supporting an artificially created sense of victimhood.

Unfortunately, events over the past decade have repeatedly shown the ICC to be utterly craven in the face of whinging from South Asian nations. Rules have been changed, nations have been allowed to pick & choose umpires & the authority of officials has been undermined. In time you will probably get your wish. Who will you blame when your team can't win then?

Who plays Cricket - Umpires or players? As far as I know any sport is played by sportspersons only.
What has made cricket popular ?- I think people come to watch the players play and not to see Umpires make decisions. Morever why are you so keen to allow wrong judgement to continue being given in game?How will the use of third umpire degrade the effectivess of Shane Warne or Ponting. And if it doesnt then why not have a fair system of judgement?

[furkensturker]

Originally Posted by Blademaster

Well it depends on the context. When Symonds came over to India, the Indian crowds chanted "monkey" when he was the only non white on the team so pretty soon it took on a racial tone. Therefore, if true, when Harbajan Singh said, "monkey" the powers be interpreted it as a racist remark in the context of things.

However I do think that Symonds and Pontings are hypocrites and crybabies when they do the same thing to the Indian team and get away with it. They are not using racist remarks but the remarks they use are insulting.

Australia has become so politicly correct that words that used to mean a term of endearment are now classed as racist. Symons originally came from the West Indies and views the word monkey to be racist. When the Indians come to Australia, they must abide by Australian law. To racily vilify someone in Australia is illegal.

From what I have read in the local press, Symons was upset that no effort was shown by the authorities in India to stop the racist taunts and said that when the Indians come here, things will change, and they did.

Now the Indian team have linked the bad umpiring (yes I agree on that) and Australia's celebration of getting three wickets when they were against the odds and the name calling, that has now been revealed by the Indians that the word was not monkey but misheard by Symons as a word meaning mother******, a word that is more offensive than Monkey.

I'm wondering if an Australian were to refer to an Indian as Monkey, because of their dark skin, would India still think it was not an offensive word?

It almost comes into the "sooky sooky la la" category.

Freddie

[Tronic]

Freddie, If you were to call an Indian a "monkey", normally, he/she is not going to assume it is due to their skin colour. "Monkey" is not a racial word in India; but then if it is in Australia, then I cannot say whose responsibility it is to educate the guests on which words are considered "racial". And each country will have its own; hence, sledging should defintely be given a second thought. If you are going to fight, then I would rather see two cricket players beat the crud out of each other with bats, rather then verbal abuse which can land up as an attack on an entire community! And about mother****** being more offensive, then it is beyond me how it is more offensive then a racial slur. Aussies have to decide, do they have a problem with racial slurs or sledging as a whole, you cannot have it both ways as Aussies are the masters at sledging!

Originally Posted by JBG

As a long time fan of NFL, I say bring into cricket whatever is needed to ensure that the right decision is made every time. Delay? That is now a concern of cricket?

Thankyou! Precisely my point.

[furkensturker]

Originally Posted by Tronic

Freddie, If you were to call an Indian a "monkey", normally, he/she is not going to assume it is due to their skin colour. "Monkey" is not a racial word in India; but then if it is in Australia, then I cannot say whose responsibility it is to educate the guests on which words are considered "racial". And each country will have its own; hence, sledging should defintely be given a second thought. If you are going to fight, then I would rather see two cricket players beat the crud out of each other with bats, rather then verbal abuse which can land up as an attack on an entire community! And about mother****** being more offensive, then it is beyond me how it is more offensive then a racial slur. Aussies have to decide, do they have a problem with racial slurs or sledging as a whole, you cannot have it both ways as Aussies are the masters at sledging!



Thankyou! Precisely my point.

Aussies view the MF word to be highly offensive, above and beyond a racist remark. The chances are that if you call an Aussie a MF, you will be in a big fight.

Freddie