Bulgarian Jews Saved from Hitler

[LetsTalk]

Originally Posted by Big K

on the other hand in Bulgaria there was many Turks forced to change their Turkish names in to Bulgarian names...

Big K, Treatment could have been worse considering treatment of minorities in the region. You are right many of the bad things where done because of bad leadership (you refer to it as politics). The Bulgarians gave their Turks Bulgarian names, and the Greeks call all their Muslims in Thrace, Muslim minorities instead of Turks and Pomaks. This may have to do with their past fears of their much bigger neighbor, invading.

neyzen, On the positive side there are 700,000 to 800,000 Turks in Bulgaria, 100,000-120,000 Muslims in Greek Thrace that for most part have grown in size and have lived in peace. These populations where allowed to stay in Bulgaria and Greece after the 2nd Balkan War & WWI. That is not bad considering that Turkey has currently about 2000-5000 Greeks, and few Bulgarians living in Turkey.

You can find these population stats, and much more at:
Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bulgaria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Balkan Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Population exchange between Greece and Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[LetsTalk]

Originally Posted by LetsTalk

My Grandparents adopted my ant, a Jewish girl (5 to 6 at the time), and renamed her Maria, to hide her identity. They lived in Patra, Greece, which was occupied by the Italians, so they did not have it as bad as others did. Regardless they hid her in a 6X6 shed for 2-3 years during the occupation. My Grandparents already had 7 kids, Maria was #8. Grandfather died during the occupation.

Correction: , Talked to my mom (Slovak side of the family) and Ant Maria was a young teenager when adopted. She was not familiar with all the circumstances. My father past away when I was young, and I do not communicate often with my father side of the family; when I do I intent to ask some questions.

[Dimitree]

I would like to say Shame on you who disregard the fact that 8 million people country saved 50 000 Jewish people from the camps and emphasyse on anything else.

If these Jewish people were considered Bulgarians by the Bulgarian people they wouldn't have been broght to be transported to the camps in the first place !
The Patriarch wouldn't have had to lay on the rails to prevent this from happening !

Thank you for the information that Bulgarian soldures "raped" and so on people in other countrys.
I will reply to you with the video i saw some days ago with Jewish military beating with stone unarmed civilians !

Your posts must be deleted but instead this one will be.
People like you amaze me with their ability to always Skip the heroic and brave actions of others and point out the bad.

I doubt that Hitler considered Bulgarian Jews Bulgarians also !

Shame on you !

[Shipwreck]

Originally Posted by glyn

A fascinating story, and one I had never heard before. I like the observation that it was a small country and thus people thought and behaved differently.

It's just apocryphal BS for the most part.

The Jewish Virtual Library entry on Bulgaria (link) has the real story :

In World War II

Comprehensive anti-Jewish legislation in Bulgaria was introduced after the outbreak of World War II. The regime's main motivation in its anti-Semitic pursuits could be explained by its determination to conform to the orientation of Nazi Germany, with which Bulgaria was allied.

The turning point in events came on Feb. 15, 1940, with the appointment of Bogdan Filov, a noted scientist and a determined Germanophile, to the premiership. In July 1940 the government announced its decision to curb the freedom of the Jewish minority. In August of the same year the cabinet approved the anti-Jewish "Law for the Protection of the Nation," patterned after Nazi regulations. On Dec. 24, 1940, Parliament approved the proposed legislation, which was officially promulgated on Jan. 23, 1941.

On March 1, Bulgaria joined the Tripartite Pact and the German Army entered the country. A declaration of war on the western Allies followed; yet Bulgaria did not enter the war against the Soviet Union, mainly because of Slavophile sentiments.

In June 1942 Minister of Interior Gabrovski, the architect of the anti-Jewish legislation, demanded and received from Parliament a blank authorization empowering the government with absolute prerogatives on all questions pertaining to the Jews. Protests against this measure, coming from such well-known democrats as Nikola Mushanov, were of no avail. At the end of August the government promulgated new restrictive regulations and provided for the establishment of a Commissariat for Jewish Affairs. On Sept. 3, 1942, the lawyer Alexander Belev, a German-trained anti-Semite, became the head of this Commissariat.

The Deportations Program

In January 1943 Adolf Beckerle, the German minister to Sofia, was joined by SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Theodor Dannecker, an associate of Eichmann, who came to Bulgaria in order to arrange for the deportation of Bulgarian Jews to the eastern territories. By the summer of 1942, the Bulgarian government had already surrendered into German hands Bulgarian Jews residing in countries occupied by Germany.

On Feb. 2, 1943, Gabrovski and Dannecker agreed that all Jews living in Greek and Yugoslav Macedonia and in Thrace, administered by Bulgaria since the spring of 1941, would also be surrendered to the Germans for deportation. On Feb. 22, Belev and Dannecker signed a formal agreement to deport 20,000 Jews. As the total number of Jews living in Bulgarian-held Thrace and Macedonia was only slightly over 10,000, Dannecker informed Eichmann that Jews from Bulgaria proper, mainly from the capital and other large towns, would also be deported.

On March 2, the government approved the surrender of 20,000 Jews into German hands, but the fiction that only Jews from Macedonia and Thrace were to be deported continued to be maintained. The collection of Macedonian and Thracian Jews into special transit camps began immediately. Preparations were also begun for the concentration of those Jews from Bulgaria proper who were to make up the agreed figure of 20,000.

Opposition to the Deportations

Rumors of the forthcoming deportations aroused unexpected opposition. An action group headed by the vice-president of the Bulgarian Parliament, Dimiter Peshev, was organized in the town of Kustendil. Peshev appeared before the minister of interior on March 9, and insisted that the deportation orders be altered forthwith.

Both humanitarian and political considerations motivated the protest movement. In the aftermath of the German debacle at Stalingrad, it was thought that Bulgaria should not endanger her chances of an eventual disengagement from the German alliance by giving her hand to so monstrous an act. The initiative of Dimiter Peshev developed into a minor revolt within the government's own majority in Parliament.

On March 17, Peshev presented the prime minister with a petition against the deportations signed by 42 deputies. Political figures outside Parliament and prominent figures from the Greek Orthodox Church hierarchy joined in the effort. Under the pressure, the government of Bogdan Filov decided on a compromise. It ordered all deportations of Bulgarian Jews to be stopped.

The surrender of Macedonian and Thracian Jews, however, was carried out. Transported in part by railroad and in part by river boats on the Danube, a total of 11,384 Jews from the "new territories" were taken to the death camps in the east (Poland), where the overwhelming majority perished.

Unlike the Italians, the Bulgarians treated the Jews with exceptional cruelty and strictly applied the racial restrictions: the Jews were prohibited from using the main thoroughfares, were not allowed to move from one town to another or to engage in commerce, had to wear the yellow badge, and were issued special yellow identity cards. Jewish houses were identified as such by a special sign.

In the summer of 1942, several hundred young Jews were sent to forced labor, and in January 1943, young conscripts were sent to Bulgaria to work on road construction. Every town with a Jewish population had its commissioner for Jewish affairs, whose task it was to ensure that the anti-Jewish orders were properly carried out. Any jewelry and gold currency in the possession of Jews was confiscated and handed over to the Bulgarian national bank.

Later, the government justified its action by contending that since Macedonia and Thrace were never formally annexed to Bulgaria, and since Thracian and Macedonian Jews were not given Bulgarian citizenship, the regime could not effectively withstand German pressures. On March 26, Dimiter Peshev was reprimanded by Parliament and removed from the vice-presidency. His bold intervention on behalf of the Jews of Bulgaria later helped save his life at the People's Trials held in the winter of 1945.

The Nazi representatives in Sofia continued to press for the deportation of the Bulgarian Jewish community during April and May of 1943. In the light of the parliamentary upheavals of March, the government showed signs of vacillation. At the end of May, it ordered the resettlement of the Jews of Sofia in the provinces as a first step toward their eventual dispatch to the death camps in the east. Neither an abortive mass demonstration attempted by the Jews of Sofia on May 24, nor several protestations by pro-Jewish public figures prevented the execution of the order. Furthermore, several hundred prominent Jewish families were sent to the Somovit concentration camp established on the banks of the Danube.

Throughout the war Jewish males ontinued to work in forced labor camps, employed in various public construction projects. With these programs, the summit of anti-Jewish persecution was reached, and the gravest danger of deportation to the German-occupied eastern territories passed.

On Aug. 28, 1943, King Boris III died under somewhat mysterious circumstances. According to N. Oren, Boris showed no special affection for the Jews of his country, nor did he exhibit any particular humanitarian inclinations. The contention that Boris' own act of benevolence had prevented the deportation of the Jews from Bulgaria proper is without firm foundation, but, in common with his government, Boris responded to the pressures from below generated by Peshev and his friends. According to Nuremberg Document No. NG-062, although Boris had agreed to the deportation of Jews from Macedonia and Thrace, he was unwilling to deport Jews from Bulgaria proper, with the exception of "Bolshevist-Communist elements." The other Bulgarian Jews were to be sent to forced-labor camps to work on road construction.

[Shipwreck]

Originally Posted by Dimitree

Thank you for the information that Bulgarian soldures "raped" and so on people in other countrys.
I will reply to you with the video i saw some days ago with Jewish military beating with stone unarmed civilians !

If it quacks like an Antisemit,...

[Dimitree]

Shipwreck yep you are one bright example of wizdom
So when someone says Bulgarian soldiers raped it's not antisematic but when someone says Jewish soldiers beating civilians with stones then POW antisemetic.
You are SO bright !
Global retardness ruls the world

[Parihaka]

Originally Posted by Dimitree

Shipwreck yep you are one bright example of wizdom
So when someone says Bulgarian soldiers raped it's not antisematic but when someone says Jewish soldiers beating civilians with stones then POW antisemetic.
You are SO bright !
Global retardness ruls the world

Yep. Spend the next 24 hours reading the forum rules and decide if you can live by them.

[Shipwreck]

Originally Posted by Dimitree

Shipwreck yep you are one bright example of wizdom
So when someone says Bulgarian soldiers raped it's not antisematic but when someone says Jewish soldiers beating civilians with stones then POW antisemetic.

What some in Tsahal may have done to Palestinians well after WW2 doesn't excuse or justify the exceptional cruelty of the Bulgarians towards the Jews (not only in Macedonia and Thrace) during WW2.

Whenever some troll comes up with such an excuse, I call him AN ANTISEMITE, because that's WHAT YOU ARE.

And I feel all the more comfortable calling you AN ANTISEMITE that I lost my admiration for Tsahal some time in 1983 after I witnessed the dishonorable conduct of some IDF members.