gays.. good or bad?

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by Fonnicker

Hey confed, something we can agree on!

If we continue to pay attention to each other, we will surely find we agree on many things.

[smilingassassin]

Wow what a loaded question....as long as they don't hit on me I'm fine with gays.
I still find it hard to swallow when they marry and adopt kids,how do you bring them up normal? I live in vancouver so you see alot of them.

[The Chap]

Strictly speaking the dictats of the bible only disavow sodomy.

Beyond which (other than condeming a lot of my porn collection to hell) it does depend on whether we are using the original Hebrew text for the Old, the Greek, Latin, Orthodox or - Heaven Forfend - King James for the New and/or Old. If (sorry to any Christians) God is everywhere then even He must be up someones bottom?

Personally I've got some good poof friends, and as long as they keep it to themselves, who cares? ...

Unless I need some advice on interior decorating, or which suit fabric is "chic". Empirical evidence proves this; Erm ... whilst in any version, the Bible does not say "thought shalt not enjoy musical theatre" it does say: no bum sex. Or spilling one's seed on the ground. (nothing about Kleenex). Or Ugly Birds. It also seems to have an awful lot to say about smiting.

AND .... by the way there is a filthy bit in Songs. Lovely poetry. And dirty.

[Samudra]

Originally Posted by donnie

everyone is saved by the GRACE of god, there is no law anymore, unless you choose the law over Grace, all you need to do is follow those principles in which you believe, be good, do good, and you will be fine.

The grace of the god is like the wind blowing in the ocean.It stops nor starts for none.What you get , the same the other guy (gay ? ) in the pirate ship gets.Its for you to unfurl your sails and thereby suceed in your voyage.
Its you will to unfurl your sails to the winds of grace from god.

For what you do , you suffer/enjoy .God does not interfere. If you have the will to suceed against all your karmas god does not interfere....

For people who are going to speak about hell and paradise , to me hell is nothing but this very world without love , a bit of compassion for everything around you.May be even the street dog and a little insect you want to kill.
Heaven is nothing but this very same earth with love,a bit of compassion for everything around you.
May be i am intellectualising , Just my thoughts anyways.

[Trooth]

Originally Posted by smilingassassin

Wow what a loaded question....as long as they don't hit on me I'm fine with gays.

Does this happen to you a lot?

[-{SpoonmaN}-]

I really don't get what people have against gays. Who cares what happens in the private lives of concenting adults?

[Gio]

I kinda wonder about the question, though. Its along the lines of "Jews.. good or bad?" or "Black people... good or bad?"

[Fonnicker]

Originally Posted by Gio

I kinda wonder about the question, though. Its along the lines of "Jews.. good or bad?" or "Black people... good or bad?"

Excellent point. People act as if homosexuality is some sort of personal choice, like a fad you subscribe to. There always has been homosexuality and there always will be. How does a gay relationship or marriage infinge upon a straight couple's blessed union? It only lessens your union, IMO, if your union is weak. Nobody loses if gays are allowed to get married. I don't understand the hubbub over this issue.

[Trooth]

I agree. If people want to share their love, and are consenting in the acts they perform with others then they should be allowed to do so.

As long as they keep it out of the affairs of others and where it belongs, in church, then its fine by me

Oh, and the same goes for homosexuality

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by Fonnicker

There always has been homosexuality and there always will be.

It even occurs in the animal kingdom. I wonder if it's not a built in form of population control.

[ZFBoxcar]

Unless evolution designed homosexuality so that gays have children before coming out of the closet, that doesn't work. And if that WERE the case its not a very good mechanism for population control is it? Assuming of course that homosexuality is genetic.

[Trooth]

Originally Posted by ZFBoxcar

Unless evolution designed homosexuality so that gays have children before coming out of the closet, that doesn't work. And if that WERE the case its not a very good mechanism for population control is it? Assuming of course that homosexuality is genetic.

Evolution doesn't design anything. Its slight genetic differences that give a "mutant" a difference that create evolution.

Homosexuality exists in all animals the same way, because of a predespoistion of the homosexual to behave that way. It certainly isn't through choice, because most animals aren't capable of making a choice.

[Fonnicker]

Originally Posted by Confed999

It even occurs in the animal kingdom. I wonder if it's not a built in form of population control.

Interesting. I never thought of it like that. In a way, it makes sense. I think it's a chemical thing. It's certainly not a learned behavior, or something a person can just reason away. It is natural in the purest sense of the word.

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by ZFBoxcar

Assuming of course that homosexuality is genetic.

With certain types of animals, some fish and frogs, when there are too many males, some turn female.

[Ziska]

People are born black, or jewish. People might even be 'born' gay (ie, they might have a genetic predisposition to it). But the colour of someone's skin, the size of their nose or whatever, are not sometihng they can do anything about. Someone's actions however....

Christians do not have a problem with people who struggle with homosexuality. We are all sinners, and we all have our weaknessess. But once people start saying it's all ok, that is where we have a problem.

People keep talking about homosexuality like it's just a benign lifestyle choice. It isn't. I mean, look at the health issues. If it were natural, why are so many homosexuals dying of AIDS? If it were natural, why do so many of them contract bowel disieses?

Homosexuality is a sin, like adultery, like brawling, like lying. We might have a weakness to that particular sin, but it is never OK. Homosexuals are not any worse than people who have sex before marriage. This fact often gets lost in the debate. Christians do not 'vilify' homosexuals because they have **** sex. Christians are not prudes who can't handle the details. We simply believe that any deviation from the Bible is wrong.

It is a shame that most mainstream churches have given up the fight on Pre-marital sex outside the US. People need to see that homosexuality is a sin, like any other, and one we must turn from.