Why do we still have to believe in International Cooperation?

Christine · 08-13-2004, 02:44 AM

"The government of the United States at present is a foster-child of the special interests. It is not allowed to have a voice of its own. It is told at every move, 'don't do that, you will interfere with our prosperity.' And when we ask: 'where is our prosperity lodged?' a certain group of gentlemen say, 'with us.'"

-Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924)
The New Freedom, (1913)

Horrido · 08-13-2004, 02:56 AM

So, are you saying we should cater to foreign special interests that would tell us the very same things, limiting and restricting us for their own amusement and benefit, while our prosperity does not lie with them, and they have no invested interest in our national well-being, unlike our resident special interests?

Christine · 08-13-2004, 06:16 AM

Nop, I just found our former president's words amusing. Because even though this happened almost 100 years ago, the international scenario is the same. Politics are politics and what regular citizens believe are not taken into consideration for the elaboration and implementation of international policy. This time I have no stand, just looking back at history and pointing out the facts.

Horrido · 08-13-2004, 15:03 PM

From ancient Babylon to the UN...

Nothing ever really changes.

**ZFBoxcar** · 08-13-2004, 17:04 PM

Moved this thread to a more appropriate location.

List · 08-15-2004, 12:00 PM

To be fair, Wilson was reacting to the Great War(WW1). He never wanted such a bloody/global conflict to happen again, and thought greater international cooperation could prevent it. He was probably right, but not enough was done to stop Hitler/World War 2 before it was too late.

Anon · 08-16-2004, 03:54 AM

He was probably right based on.......what?

The UN hasn't stopped any wars, none. Not even by tinpot 3d world dictators.

It has however prevented responsible states from doing anything about those tinpot dictators to begin with.

Why?

Because the tin-pot dictators get a vote too.

**ZFBoxcar** · 08-16-2004, 12:25 PM

The one thing it might be possible to credit it with is shortening the length of wars. Of course they usually only do it when the good guys are winning...

ChrisF202 · 08-16-2004, 18:47 PM

Dont worry guys, some day the UN will go the same dustbin as the Leage of Nations.

lulldapull · 08-17-2004, 01:04 AM

See you boys are missing the point here. The UN is a creation of the World Federalists.

These guys will not stop unless all of us have ceded control to them. They crave a one world Government.

Since world war II and even before that, these guys have been forcing us all to surrender our sovereignty to them. All these conflicts in Korea and Vietnam and the middle east were all from the outset designed to fail!

they were a ruse for a much bigger purpose! They were so conceived so that all the neanderthals on this planet would see the United States go in those situations as a favourite, and eventually "fail"

.... And then the talk on the street goes something like this :

hey look the most powerful country( the U.S.) went in there and kicked everyones ass, and despite all that look at them they godamn failed!

So if the U.S. couldn't prevail, then this slut called the UN comes in ( which by the way is a creation of these same World Federalists to salvage these sorts of situ's )

Basically on the premise that hey now that the most powerful country couldn't do it then everyone should just back off and let the UN ( global cops ) take charge!

Even though it appears that the U.S. is running the show, but the truth lies in the fact that the world Federalists are pullin all the strings. These spineless gutless back stabbin weasels aka global cops will not relent until there is a one world order. All these Neocons and god-damn 2 cent president of the U.S. or that baboon Kofi Annan all these fags are just a front.

And if anyone here has the slightest bit of intel, then he/ she should immediately realise that their prophecy has partly come true. A one world government is imminent whether you like it or not.

Iraq was there next milestone. Tomorrow it will be some other objective.

lulldapull · 08-17-2004, 01:16 AM

http://www.jbs.org/

List · 08-17-2004, 01:25 AM

Wow...that's kind of paranoid. I find the problem with many global conspiracy theories is that it's much more likely that the world exists as it does without them. It's good to know that the leaders of world are homosexual though. The first gay president(that we know of)!

As I've said, a world government isn't necessarily a bad thing, though it doesn't seem likely any time soon. It seems likely to occur under two conditions. The less likely would be an organization taking the globe by force. Given the massive cost of such an act, and the existence of nuclear weapons, it seems extremely unlikely. The other would be a mostly prosperous, extremely intergrated world, that no longer saw the need for strict national physical/governmental boundries, and no longer saw any use for trade barriers. I suppose that world could be governed by an organization called the "United Nations", but both the world and the organization would have to be totally different from what they are today to make it possible.

Confed999 · 08-17-2004, 19:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by List

Wow...that's kind of paranoid

LOL

Kind of paranoid?

**Parihaka** · 11-11-2004, 15:20 PM

Stop thinking in terms of countries and start thinking in terms of communities. A loner who acts arbitrarily in any community can, if they have the neccessary force to back up their actions, succeed in the short term but faces increased resistance by other members of the community who disaprove of their actions. This is the situation America now finds itself. As much as you'd apparently like to be an island, you are not. Your medium to long term future depends on the co-operation of other countries/people. If you continue to use force to change the community to your liking, you will only ever be able to use force, and the resistance to you will increase.

Kipruss · 11-11-2004, 22:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parihaka

Stop thinking in terms of countries and start thinking in terms of communities. A loner who acts arbitrarily in any community can, if they have the neccessary force to back up their actions, succeed in the short term but faces increased resistance by other members of the community who disaprove of their actions. This is the situation America now finds itself. As much as you'd apparently like to be an island, you are not. Your medium to long term future depends on the co-operation of other countries/people. If you continue to use force to change the community to your liking, you will only ever be able to use force, and the resistance to you will increase.

Very well said.

08-13-2004, 02:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
Christine New Member Join Date: 08-11-04 Posts: 15	Why do we still have to believe in International Cooperation? "The government of the United States at present is a foster-child of the special interests. It is not allowed to have a voice of its own. It is told at every move, 'don't do that, you will interfere with our prosperity.' And when we ask: 'where is our prosperity lodged?' a certain group of gentlemen say, 'with us.'" -Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) The New Freedom, (1913)

08-13-2004, 02:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
Horrido Staff Emeritus Chief Subversive Join Date: 08-04-03 Location: Secure, and undisclosed. Posts: 979	So, are you saying we should cater to foreign special interests that would tell us the very same things, limiting and restricting us for their own amusement and benefit, while our prosperity does not lie with them, and they have no invested interest in our national well-being, unlike our resident special interests? __________________ The black flag is raised: Ban them all... Let the Admin sort them out. I know I'm going to have the last word... I have powers of deletion and lock.

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08-13-2004, 06:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
Christine New Member Join Date: 08-11-04 Posts: 15	Nop, I just found our former president's words amusing. Because even though this happened almost 100 years ago, the international scenario is the same. Politics are politics and what regular citizens believe are not taken into consideration for the elaboration and implementation of international policy. This time I have no stand, just looking back at history and pointing out the facts.

08-13-2004, 15:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Horrido Staff Emeritus Chief Subversive Join Date: 08-04-03 Location: Secure, and undisclosed. Posts: 979	From ancient Babylon to the UN... Nothing ever really changes.

08-13-2004, 17:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
ZFBoxcar Moderator Join Date: 08-03-03 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,125 Country:	Moved this thread to a more appropriate location.

08-15-2004, 12:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
List Regular Join Date: 06-22-04 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 124	To be fair, Wilson was reacting to the Great War(WW1). He never wanted such a bloody/global conflict to happen again, and thought greater international cooperation could prevent it. He was probably right, but not enough was done to stop Hitler/World War 2 before it was too late.

08-16-2004, 03:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	He was probably right based on.......what? The UN hasn't stopped any wars, none. Not even by tinpot 3d world dictators. It has however prevented responsible states from doing anything about those tinpot dictators to begin with. Why? Because the tin-pot dictators get a vote too.

08-16-2004, 12:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
ZFBoxcar Moderator Join Date: 08-03-03 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,125 Country:	The one thing it might be possible to credit it with is shortening the length of wars. Of course they usually only do it when the good guys are winning...

08-16-2004, 18:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
ChrisF202 *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-12-03 Location: Long Island, New York, USA Posts: 2,576 Country:	Dont worry guys, some day the UN will go the same dustbin as the Leage of Nations.

08-17-2004, 01:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
lulldapull Banished Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 1,007	See you boys are missing the point here. The UN is a creation of the World Federalists. These guys will not stop unless all of us have ceded control to them. They crave a one world Government. Since world war II and even before that, these guys have been forcing us all to surrender our sovereignty to them. All these conflicts in Korea and Vietnam and the middle east were all from the outset designed to fail! they were a ruse for a much bigger purpose! They were so conceived so that all the neanderthals on this planet would see the United States go in those situations as a favourite, and eventually "fail" .... And then the talk on the street goes something like this : hey look the most powerful country( the U.S.) went in there and kicked everyones ass, and despite all that look at them they godamn failed! So if the U.S. couldn't prevail, then this slut called the UN comes in ( which by the way is a creation of these same World Federalists to salvage these sorts of situ's ) Basically on the premise that hey now that the most powerful country couldn't do it then everyone should just back off and let the UN ( global cops ) take charge! Even though it appears that the U.S. is running the show, but the truth lies in the fact that the world Federalists are pullin all the strings. These spineless gutless back stabbin weasels aka global cops will not relent until there is a one world order. All these Neocons and god-damn 2 cent president of the U.S. or that baboon Kofi Annan all these fags are just a front. And if anyone here has the slightest bit of intel, then he/ she should immediately realise that their prophecy has partly come true. A one world government is imminent whether you like it or not. Iraq was there next milestone. Tomorrow it will be some other objective.

08-17-2004, 01:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
lulldapull Banished Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 1,007	http://www.jbs.org/

08-17-2004, 01:25 AM	#12 (permalink)
List Regular Join Date: 06-22-04 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 124	Wow...that's kind of paranoid. I find the problem with many global conspiracy theories is that it's much more likely that the world exists as it does without them. It's good to know that the leaders of world are homosexual though. The first gay president(that we know of)! As I've said, a world government isn't necessarily a bad thing, though it doesn't seem likely any time soon. It seems likely to occur under two conditions. The less likely would be an organization taking the globe by force. Given the massive cost of such an act, and the existence of nuclear weapons, it seems extremely unlikely. The other would be a mostly prosperous, extremely intergrated world, that no longer saw the need for strict national physical/governmental boundries, and no longer saw any use for trade barriers. I suppose that world could be governed by an organization called the "United Nations", but both the world and the organization would have to be totally different from what they are today to make it possible.

11-11-2004, 15:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 9,465 Country:	Stop thinking in terms of countries and start thinking in terms of communities. A loner who acts arbitrarily in any community can, if they have the neccessary force to back up their actions, succeed in the short term but faces increased resistance by other members of the community who disaprove of their actions. This is the situation America now finds itself. As much as you'd apparently like to be an island, you are not. Your medium to long term future depends on the co-operation of other countries/people. If you continue to use force to change the community to your liking, you will only ever be able to use force, and the resistance to you will increase.

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