Why do we still have to believe in International Cooperation?

[smilingassassin]

Keep hoping for the worst guys. Such a cheerfull crowd!

Smiling, there is nothing "cheerful" about war. It is a horrible thing to have to decide to do in the first place, much less changing your reasons for doing it in midstream. This whole Iraq invasion from the beginning, having to intrude through Kuwait instead of Turkey, to finding no WMDs, to losing control of many areas in Iraq, is THIRD RATE commanding at best.

I utterly fail to see any "cheer" in that.

[Julie]

The Bush administration did not stop and think. That is the biggest indecision-making that has transcended from what you have listed above. The eggs were counted before they hatched. Many more are hatching now than expected.

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by parihaka

So you,ve replaced one set of atrocities with another

Things generally get worse before they get better. The "atrocities" do not compare.

Originally Posted by parihaka

and some time in the future a select group might be free. from what? you?

Iraq and Afghanistan are obviously not colonial actions. Your way nobody would ever have a chance to be free.

Originally Posted by parihaka

so a sniff of what MIGHT have been sarin or mustard gas equates to WMD's?

Yes, but it does not equate to stockpiles. Without Saddam's cooperation there was no way to know. That's all I've said.

Originally Posted by parihaka

replaced by the republican party, haliburton and the carlyle group. which is worse?

Too much time spent at moveon, I'm thinking. Silly argument... It could have been a UN government, but the UN was with Saddam.

Originally Posted by parihaka

how about agent orange, gonna compensate the Vietnamese you dropped it on as well as your veterans?

Are they going to follow their end of the peace deal? No. They shouldn't have let the politicizers win that war for the communists. Sad all those people have been forced to live that way, all this time, especially after the military won it.

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by Julie

The Bush administration did not stop and think.

Kerry is part of the Bush administration? The legislature voted for war, and would have regardless of the administration.

[NeoLiberal]

Originally Posted by Julie

Ironic, one of Bush's main campaign issues was his pro-life stance. However, it is not consistent with his Iraq plan is it?

You have to wonder how does he reconcile with his pro-life stance the fact that out of the 100,000 of Iraqis who have so far died due to the war in Iraq, a certain percentage of them were pregnant women.
Isin't a pro-lifer Bush delivering abortion by military to these killed pregnant Iraqi women?

[Ray]

I reckon, after 9/11, when the Mainland USA, which has never been attacked at home (not talking about Hawai) in its history was 'attacked' by the three aircrafts of AQ, the US was traumatised. It was too close to hearth and home. And too close for comfort.

For once in their life did they understand what it is to be attacked and what fear and security of one's immediate homeland meant.

Therefore, voting against 'getting tough' or a tough and immediate response would have been suicidal for any US citizen or even criticising would have meant instant lynching. Nothing unusual psychologically for a Nation traumatised. Therefore, voting for such an action which meant that the US meant business was axiomatic.

However, the destiny of a Nation depends on the Head of State and he has to take the responsibility and not palm it off on anyone. Therefore, rightly or wrongly, Bush took the decision. It obviously has the mandate of the majority of the US citizens since he has been re-elected.

[Julie]

Originally Posted by NeoLiberal

You have to wonder how does he reconcile with his pro-life stance the fact that out of the 100,000 of Iraqis who have so far died due to the war in Iraq, a certain percentage of them were pregnant women.
Isin't a pro-lifer Bush delivering abortion by military to these killed pregnant Iraqi women?

I've never seen anything conservative about Bush. He spends the his tax cuts before they are ever made.

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by Julie

I've never seen anything conservative about Bush. He spends the his tax cuts before they are ever made.

Technically tax cuts are a conservative policy, as is privatization, Bush has been doing both. I agree though, Bush isn't a political conservative, but he's not even close to as politically liberal as his opposition.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by smilingassassin

Keep hoping for the worst guys. Such a cheerfull crowd!

Smiling, there is nothing "cheerful" about war. It is a horrible thing to have to decide to do in the first place, much less changing your reasons for doing it in midstream. This whole Iraq invasion from the beginning, having to intrude through Kuwait instead of Turkey, to finding no WMDs, to losing control of many areas in Iraq, is THIRD RATE commanding at best.

I utterly fail to see any "cheer" in that.

I don't think anyone is cheerful or happy about how things are shaping up.

Where the whole show was to end with the miliary campaign being over, it is now dragging endlessly with very little hope in sight.

It is better to be pragmatic and prepare oneself, rather than live on hopes and daily crashing of such hopes and leading to disappointments (which are suppressed from exhibition and in the bargain becoming psychotic).