5 Years Ago Today...

[bonehead]

You don't understand: in the world of 9/10, that's what we were all SUPPOSED to do: sit tight, and the big ole government know-it-alls of the FAA would sort it out in a jiffy.

That's what was meant by whoever it was came up with the phrase that 9/11 represented a failure of imagination: we just never believed that there were fanatics that could conceive of something so monstrous as to hate us so much that killing themselves would be an honor, as long as thousands of us died, too. Hijackings used to be about getting something for the hostages. Not anymore: it's about KILLING. And they absolutely had our number: they knew they'd be perfectly fine, right up until impact. They knew that our people would not fight 'em, because Big Brother knew best.

THIS is what happens when you trust another person for your own security.

Here's a Mark Steyn column that covers the whole thing, and I fervently hope everybody reads the whole thing:


And then this one:



Does anybody here in this message board really understand why I'm so goddam' angry lately?

LMAO. I understand well enough.years ago we spoke of the initial Iraqi invasion and compared it to a baseball game.We had one heck of a first inning but we have eight more innings to lose. The game is not over,but without some major changes during the seventh inning stretch, the once blowout is going to become a real nailbiter. Once again it is you that does not understand me. Let me spell it out for you.

1) I do not want anything I did not earn.
2) If someone breaks into my home or puts my family at risk I will act first and call 911 later, if at all. I do not wish to rely on the goverment for anything more than common defence, provide for the countries infrastructure, and constitutional duties. I do not want national healthcare (I want to earn it thank you very much), nor do I want my goverment to spy on me. (I am not a threat to my country, the terrorist are)
3) I am not nor ever have been on the side of the terrorist. I would not have been nearly as nice as Bush has been when dealing with terrorist and the countries that support them.
4) I believe our country is worth fighting for, but our government is a steaming pile of manure reguardless of which party is in control. The "democrats are bad and the republicans are good" mantra you believe in just isn't true. Both parties are rotten liars that are void of morals and character as they only care about their special interest buddies and their cash flow. What we need is a goverment that puts the needs of the country before their own quests for money, power, and debauchery. Unfortunately, we have not had such a goverment for a long time which is why we are where we are today. It really is time to stop voting for the lessor of the two evils and demand that our goverment raises the bar, or be held accountable.

I know why you are angry. California is not a good place for you. You need a care package of butter cookies. Perhaps a party with WAB buddies that involves lots of alcohol.

[JAD_333]

What we need is a goverment that puts the needs of the country before their own quests for money, power, and debauchery. Unfortunately, we have not had such a goverment for a long time which is why we are where we are today. It really is time to stop voting for the lessor of the two evils and demand that our goverment raises the bar, or be held accountable.

Then former senator Mike Gravel is your man...a dem running for president on a shoestring...helped Daniel Ellsberg leak the infamous Vietnam report...his platform is a plan for Americans to vote directly for major bills...California style...he's made a few of the debates.

[Officer of Engineers]

Here's a Mark Steyn column that covers the whole thing, and I fervently hope everybody reads the whole thing:

MSgt,

I've had it with Steyn. More Canadians and British have died 3 time over than what Australia was even politically able to accept. They've assigned their contingent to Afghan's safe zone under the Dutch for crying out loud! We're the ones leading the charge, not the Australians! No offence to the Australians but FVCK STEYN! MY PEOPLE HAVE NOT DIED FOR HIS STUPID COLUMN!

[Bluesman]

MSgt,

I've had it with Steyn. More Canadians and British have died 3 time over than what Australia was even politically able to accept. They've assigned their contingent to Afghan's safe zone under the Dutch for crying out loud! We're the ones leading the charge, not the Australians! No offence to the Australians but FVCK STEYN! MY PEOPLE HAVE NOT DIED FOR HIS STUPID COLUMN!

You completely mis-read him.

Call me.

[brokensickle]

Bluesman: Does anybody here in this message board really understand why I'm so goddam' angry lately?

People are waiting for the, "Big One" to strengthen their resolve. The "Big One" came and gone. Now they wait for the, "Bigger One".

What people don't understand is Islams will is to break down our infrastructure and all we hold dear so we won't know what to think or how to react.

And yes Bluesman, I without a doubt understand your anger.

We need scores of angry men to do battle against the growing enemies of freedom. We shouldn't wait for critical mass to take place before we act in a BIG WAY.




Ivan

[Bluesman]

LMAO. I understand well enough.years ago we spoke of the initial Iraqi invasion and compared it to a baseball game.We had one heck of a first inning but we have eight more innings to lose. The game is not over,but without some major changes during the seventh inning stretch, the once blowout is going to become a real nailbiter. Once again it is you that does not understand me. Let me spell it out for you.

1) I do not want anything I did not earn.
2) If someone breaks into my home or puts my family at risk I will act first and call 911 later, if at all. I do not wish to rely on the goverment for anything more than common defence, provide for the countries infrastructure, and constitutional duties. I do not want national healthcare (I want to earn it thank you very much), nor do I want my goverment to spy on me. (I am not a threat to my country, the terrorist are)
3) I am not nor ever have been on the side of the terrorist. I would not have been nearly as nice as Bush has been when dealing with terrorist and the countries that support them.
4) I believe our country is worth fighting for, but our government is a steaming pile of manure reguardless of which party is in control. The "democrats are bad and the republicans are good" mantra you believe in just isn't true. Both parties are rotten liars that are void of morals and character as they only care about their special interest buddies and their cash flow. What we need is a goverment that puts the needs of the country before their own quests for money, power, and debauchery. Unfortunately, we have not had such a goverment for a long time which is why we are where we are today. It really is time to stop voting for the lessor of the two evils and demand that our goverment raises the bar, or be held accountable.

I know why you are angry. California is not a good place for you. You need a care package of butter cookies. Perhaps a party with WAB buddies that involves lots of alcohol.

No, it's YOU who didn't understand ME. You asked why didn't our people just bum-rush the jackasses that were only armed with box cutters?

And I answered: because we weren't SUPPOSED to do that. Hijackings were always about HOSTAGES until 9/11, and then, all of a sudden the rules changed, and it became about KILLING. Well, nobody knew that until it was too late, except on Flight 93, and THEN we understood the new game.

So NO, you would NOT have done any such thing as attack the hijackers; you'd have sat in your seat until impact, just like everybody else. THAT was the point of the articles, mate.

And I don't believe the Republicans are 'good', but they sure as hell are a helluva lot BETTER.

The only thing I really, REALLY care about is winning the war. That's it. I think that overall, the GOP is right about a great many more things than the Democrats, and I'm in more-or-less agreement with the party about the issues of the day, and they line up with better with my conservative philosophy, so I track with them much better.

BUT...I've said numerous times I'll go with the party that is most likely to bring us victory in the war, and I'll hold my nose and go along with an adminstration that is WRONGWRONGWRONG on every other dam thang...as long as they've got The One Big Thing RIGHT.

Well, the Democrats have it exactly WRONG, and whatever the GOP manages to screw up (and BOY!, can they find new ways to do THAT!), at least they SEEK VICTORY, and haven't given up, which is all the Democrats want to do.

THERE. I hope you understand a bit better about the two items you didn't seem to get.

[Bluesman]

People are waiting for the, "Big One" to strengthen their resolve. The "Big One" came and gone. Now they wait for the, "Bigger One".

What people don't understand is Islams will is to break down our infrastructure and all we hold dear so we won't know what to think or how to react.

And yes Bluesman, I without a doubt understand your anger.

We need scores of angry men to do battle against the growing enemies of freedom. We shouldn't wait for critical mass to take place before we act in a BIG WAY.




Ivan

I'll settle for the LITTLE ways.

SERIOUSLY: WHY are we wrapped around the axle on stuff that is just commen sense? WHY must we flagellate ourselves to do the most obvious things to secure ourselves, and WHY can't we avoid these stupid, petty little fights that hamstring our ability to just do the barest minimum?

I'll tell you why: the opposition seeks to LOSE, and they always have. Now, it's just muscle memory, a reflexive action to treat ANY measure, ANY effort, ANY idea that may help us WIN as some fascist plot to take away the Consitutional rights to have abortions for minors and needle exchange programs for movie stars and skateboard parks for the handicapped, or whatever the hell else the Democrats stand for these days.

I am HEARTSICK at the way the country has gone, and it seems like our national unity lasted about a week, and now, according to a poll, 35% of Democrats believe that Bush either ordered or knew about 9/11.

Jesus CHRIST. The whole country has gone stupid or crazy.

Maybe we SHOULD lose.

[Parihaka]

Maybe all the libertarians and republicans etc like your good self should just pack up and move to NZ and Oz. What's left in the states won't be a threat to anyone once your gone, they won't even be able to keep the buses running 5 minutes. We still have about 250 years to go before we reach Americas level of entropy, and if you don't mind a bit of hard work were about at the right stage for a 'send us your poor, your downtrodden and oppressed"

[Bluesman]

Maybe all the libertarians and republicans etc like your good self should just pack up and move to NZ and Oz. What's left in the states won't be a threat to anyone once your gone, they won't even be able to keep the buses running 5 minutes. We still have about 250 years to go before we reach Americas level of entropy, and if you don't mind a bit of hard work were about at the right stage for a 'send us your poor, your downtrodden and oppressed"

Reminds me of a story (a true one): a Cuban refugee floated into the Keys one day, and was pulled from the water's edge, more dead than alive. A small crowd gathered, and as the man was being treated, a Cuban emigre spoke to her husband in Spanish; 'The poor man! He has NOTHING, and we have so much! We are so lucky, husband!'

The Cuban refugee, barely able to speak, croaked back at her, 'You think you are lucky, because you have so much? You have everything but the one thing I have: a place to escape to. Where would YOU run to if you had to get away?'

I know how fortunate I am, and that there is nothing out there in the wide world that is like my American birthright.

[dalem]

MSgt,

I've had it with Steyn. More Canadians and British have died 3 time over than what Australia was even politically able to accept. They've assigned their contingent to Afghan's safe zone under the Dutch for crying out loud! We're the ones leading the charge, not the Australians! No offence to the Australians but FVCK STEYN! MY PEOPLE HAVE NOT DIED FOR HIS STUPID COLUMN!

Steyn is Canadian.

-dale

[Bluesman]

Steyn is Canadian.

-dale

And he loves Canada. WHen he's going on about something Canadian, it's because he cares, and let's face it - there is a LOT to be sad about if you care about Canada.

And that's really his position: Canada used to MATTER, and he wants it to AGAIN. He thinks they're punching below their weight, and so do I. (This is NOT taking anything away from 'em, Gawd knows, and I know I probably sound like I'm insulting them, but neither I nor Steyn means it like that.)

Read him again, and you'll see it open up before your eyes: he's got some GREAT insights, he's funny as hell, and he is on the right side.

I know glyn doesn't like him, either, but same goes for him: if he re-read him with a different take, he'll see what dalem and I love about his stuff.

[entropy]

I'll settle for the LITTLE ways.

SERIOUSLY: WHY are we wrapped around the axle on stuff that is just commen sense? WHY must we flagellate ourselves to do the most obvious things to secure ourselves, and WHY can't we avoid these stupid, petty little fights that hamstring our ability to just do the barest minimum?

I'll tell you why: the opposition seeks to LOSE, and they always have. Now, it's just muscle memory, a reflexive action to treat ANY measure, ANY effort, ANY idea that may help us WIN as some fascist plot to take away the Consitutional rights to have abortions for minors and needle exchange programs for movie stars and skateboard parks for the handicapped, or whatever the hell else the Democrats stand for these days.

I am HEARTSICK at the way the country has gone, and it seems like our national unity lasted about a week, and now, according to a poll, 35% of Democrats believe that Bush either ordered or knew about 9/11.

Jesus CHRIST. The whole country has gone stupid or crazy.

Maybe we SHOULD lose.

Sir,

Is it really true that this many Democrats believe in Bushallihitlerburton doing 9/11? In Europe the thought is rampant, but I always thought Americans were a little more sober than that.

[Amled]

Originally Posted by Bluesman
… and now, according to a poll, 35% of Democrats believe that Bush either ordered or knew about 9/11.

Jesus CHRIST. The whole country has gone stupid or crazy.

If this poll is accurate, are these people aware of what they are accusing their Head of State?
Of direct complicity; before or after the fact, in the callous cold-blooded murder of thousands of the citizens to whom he swore an oath to serve and protect! A horrendous crime for which, if I’m not mistaken, he could face a death sentence if found guilty in a court of law!
Are they really as gullible and deluded as to believe such a thing? If so, then Michael Moore certainly hasn’t lived in vain.
At least when the Republicans went gunning for Clinton it was for the more mundane charges of perjury, and for being morally corrupt, charges that are often slung around in American politics.

[glyn]

I have never met anyone who believes in the WTC being an inside job pre-ordained by the President. It is just too absurd.

[Bluesman]

If this poll is accurate, are these people aware of what they are accusing their Head of State?
Of direct complicity; before or after the fact, in the callous cold-blooded murder of thousands of the citizens to whom he swore an oath to serve and protect! A horrendous crime for which, if I’m not mistaken, he could face a death sentence if found guilty in a court of law!
Are they really as gullible and deluded as to believe such a thing? If so, then Michael Moore certainly hasn’t lived in vain.
At least when the Republicans went gunning for Clinton it was for the more mundane charges of perjury, and for being morally corrupt, charges that are often slung around in American politics.

Sniper made a great point about idiots that purport to believe tripe like this: if you REALLY BELIEVE that YOUR GOVERNMENT did all of that, why do you not fill your hands with lethal weapons, go out into the street RIGHT NOW, THIS VERY MINUTE, and start killing cops? Because if you REALLY believed that this happened at the instigation of your government and you aren't doing everything in your power to kill everybody in said evil government, then you're nothing but a moral coward, and you deserve to be dominated and oppressed, WHICH, you'll notice, isn't happening, as you can make your insane charges openly, and no Secret Police thugs come knocking at your door at 3AM. So, NO, you dont' REALLY believe it, but you do enjoy the self-induced thrill of THINKING how very dangerous your life on the barricades is, and how sinister the evil madmen that you bravely oppose are, and you send shivers up your own spine thinking about the cabal that blahblahblah...

And he's RIGHT: these dumbshits are just in LOVE with the notion that they've got it all figgered out, while us sheeple blindly do the bidding of the faceless Star Chamber overlords, controlling all in their nearly-perfect machine of deceit, the only gap (c'mon, now, mods: 'c h i n k' is a real word!) in their armor being the plucky, brilliant, but meddlesome kids in their moms' darkened basements, e-mailing each other furiously and with righteous indignation of what they, and only they, have uncovered about the TRUE story of the events of 9/11.

Makes me want to cry, it really does, but then the comedy of it all kind of overtakes me, and I end up laughing at the sheer silliness of these airheads.

But then again...they VOTE, and always for the side that's going to get us all killed, and the black dog of depression begins stalking me all over again.

My wife's cousin, a good man in every respect but one, believes this crap, too. He's convinced that a missile hit the Pentagon. No evidence will convince him he's a total moron for being taken in by this lunacy. He drives me crazy with his crap. And after reading Sniper's extremely well-made point, I asked him that question: how can you just SIT there, living with a government that would commit such a monstrous act?

He thought I was the crazy one.