Muhammad bashing taken onto disgusting lows?

**Asim Aquil** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:05

Some Indian posted this on PDF:

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/ind...howtopic=56839

Originally Posted by Jackal21

Sorry brothers , couldn't continue posting exclusive pics , was busy during
the week.Anyway now when I am back, lets the fun begin.

Here is my contribution to the collection.Some nice pics of

Muhammad(exlucsive) and pics of his romantic adventure with Aisha.:-)

http://nordish.net/mohammed_image_ar...ed/islam_3.jpg

Daisy-chain anal sex with a demonic Allah, Mohammed, and a Muslim sheep
http://nordish.net/mohammed_image_ar.../mohammad1.jpg
Mohammed enjoying some semen, in probably the most outrageous Mohammed

satire produced so far, by the aptly named "Forced Anonymous." Note also

that the bomb fuse is actually a bloody tampon.
http://nordish.net/mohammed_image_ar...eemohammed.jpg
Mohammed as a cross-dressing woman with an odd gynecological problem.
http://nordish.net/mohammed_image_ar...sandcrotch.jpg
A blogger called "seehund242" created this portrait of a ######-faced Mohammed

who's a member of NAMBLA.
http://nordish.net/mohammed_image_ar...igmohammed.gif
The prophet of Allah marries Aisha when she was 6 years old
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/mo-aisha.gif

Is the problem really the Muslims?

**ZFBoxcar** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:21

For some reason the pics aren't opening on my computer, but anyways, no the problem isn't with Muslims for having a problem with the pics. The problem is when Muslims respond to them with violence or a demand for censorship. But being angry and boycotting (corporations or newspapers or whatever) are certainly reasonable reactions.

**667medic** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:23

Some Indian posted this on PDF

Yeah right, how do you know that for sure....

**667medic** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:25

Now hold it, these pics weren't posted in WAB, so what's the big deal

**Asim Aquil** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:25

IP addy

**Asim Aquil** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:29

Originally Posted by 667medic

Now hold it, these pics weren't posted in WAB, so what's the big deal

No one's holding WAB responsible for it. WAB's just a discussion medium about the offensive content being created.

But being angry and boycotting (corporations or newspapers or whatever) are certainly reasonable reactions.

Smart one's will do that. Thing is it'd be closely seen whether the people of India support such actions or denounce them. Since in any conflict resolution matters this would play in the back of our minds.

**HistoricalDavid** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:32

Those are cartoons.

These are dead people.

Not quite the same.

**Asim Aquil** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:34

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Those are cartoons.

These are dead people.

Not quite the same.

Why initiate a fight in the first place?

**HistoricalDavid** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:38

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Why initiate a fight in the first place?

Cartoonists are not initiating a 'fight' in the true sense at all, since their actions are not physically coercive, or fraudulent.

The reasons for posting cartoons are many and varied, but the act itself, at least in my mind, PALES in comparison to people being KILLED.

“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

PS - I do find those cartoons lewd, retarded, and counter-productive to the cause of anti-religious criticism, in case you're worrying, but that's nothing compared to my opinion on people being killed.

**HistoricalDavid** · 08 Jul 06,, 12:45

By the way, I repost this for good measure.

Defaming of religions to be curbed

**Asim Aquil** · 08 Jul 06,, 13:02

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Cartoonists are not initiating a 'fight' in the true sense at all, since their actions are not physically coercive, or fraudulent.

If I'm a white boy that goes into a black ghetto and scream "Niggaz are our bi.tches!"

Then I run away.

Some smart blacks would just call me an ass hole and call it a day.

Some others will go into a white neighborhood and kill a few whites.

Same deal here. Some ass holes are starting this, (make no mistake about it. Depicting a Muhammad pooping on Quran or a penisless Muhammad isn't part any intellectual debate) then running away. Now some smart Muslims will call you guys ass holes for this. While others will come and kill you for it.

It's really not in our hands. And that's true with every society.

The reasons for posting cartoons are many and varied, but the act itself, at least in my mind, PALES in comparison to people being KILLED.

Not every Muslim goes out to kill people. But some always will. These people are preying on the fact that some will. They are the masterminds of this and they are the real bad guys.

“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

You can't compare a founding father of a nation to every common person the streets. This is called rioteering.

PS - I do find those cartoons lewd, retarded, and counter-productive to the cause of anti-religious criticism, in case you're worrying, but that's nothing compared to my opinion on people being killed.

I don't want people killed either. That's why until you guys outnumber the guys that want people killed, things aren't going to change.

**HistoricalDavid** · 08 Jul 06,, 13:35

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

If I'm a white boy that goes into a black ghetto and scream "Niggaz are our bi.tches!"

Then I run away.

Some smart blacks would just call me an ass hole and call it a day.

Some others will go into a white neighborhood and kill a few whites.

And similarly, some white supremacists will kill a few blacks the next day.

Except that in OUR situation, one side publishes cartoons, and the other side kills.

Same deal here. Some ass holes are starting this, (make no mistake about it. Depicting a Muhammad pooping on Quran or a penisless Muhammad isn't part any intellectual debate)

And neither is killing people, to a far worse degree.

then running away. Now some smart Muslims will call you guys ass holes for this. While others will come and kill you for it. It's really not in our hands. And that's true with every society.

Similarly, it's not necessarily in 'Indian' (or Danish?) hands whether or not the cartoonist publishes his cartoon.

It's freedom of expression, and it's a fundamental liberty.

Killing people in riots is not.

Not every Muslim goes out to kill people.

No-one said otherwise.

But, as evidenced by your single opening line in this thread, you seem willing to lump all Muslims as 'the Muslims', the linguistics of which suggest a single, unified entity.

So forgive me and others, I suppose, because your own language has helped to forment the perception of these divisions and coalescence of the world's social groupings into unified blocs with unified responsibility for each other's actions. An unfair proposition for the truly peaceful Muslims, I know, but you've forced it upon yourself.

But some always will. These people are preying on the fact that some will. They are the masterminds of this and they are the real bad guys.

You're saying the cartoonists deliberately did this to get Muslims to kill people?

That is weak.

You can't compare a founding father of a nation to every common person the streets. This is called rioteering.

That wasn't the point I was making, at all. I was illustrating the principle of freedom of religious tolerance, and how it does not justify retaliation of any sort.

And on an aside point, conisdering Thomas Jefferson was a child of the Enlightenment, and founded a nation which was explicitly opposed to conceptions of nobility vs 'commoners', I would think he would consider it flattering to be compared to the common person on the streets, no matter how politically powerful he was.

I don't want people killed either. That's why until you guys outnumber the guys that want people killed, things aren't going to change.

Right, because the cartoonists want people killed.

That's a mighty fine judgment to make, and unless you provide evidence for it, I will ignore it.

**sparten** · 08 Jul 06,, 13:35

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Cartoonists are not initiating a 'fight' in the true sense at all, since their actions are not physically coercive, or fraudulent.

The reasons for posting cartoons are many and varied, but the act itself, at least in my mind, PALES in comparison to people being KILLED.

“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

PS - I do find those cartoons lewd, retarded, and counter-productive to the cause of anti-religious criticism, in case you're worrying, but that's nothing compared to my opinion on people being killed.

There is something called the "chain of causation". Who ever started the sequence of events is responsible for all the events that flow from it.
Boycotts, embassy burnings and the deaths are all reprehensible and the perpertrators should (and are) being punished. But the instigators are as much reponsible for this as anyone else.

**HistoricalDavid** · 08 Jul 06,, 13:41

I can't understand the moral comparison between cartoons and death.

Anyone who regards the appropriate retaliation against cartoons as killing doubtlessly bears far more responsibility than the cartoonist, except for children and the mentally retarded.

The cartoonist's was a non-coercive action, unlike the killers'.

Oh, and just in case anyone's planning to use the 'Yelling-Fire-In-A-Crowded-Cinema' example, that's false. In that example, the instigator plays upon people's perfectly rational, justifiable fear of burning to death. I can't see a rational justification for killing people over a cartoon.

**Parihaka** · 08 Jul 06,, 15:06

I hold all organised religions in contempt, I generally try however to limit my criticisms of those religions in deference to the dear held faiths of the individuals who practice them.
The cartoonist? who penned those particular cartoons? is simply trying to offend. Why not simply delete them from PDF and thereby remove the posters ability to offend? All you are doing is feeding the troll.