View Poll Results: In the long run, is the world getting better? (Please read first post before voting.)

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  • Yes, the world is improving both materially and morally..

    18 17.14%
  • Yes, the world is improving materially but is deteriorating/stagnating morally.

    34 32.38%
  • Yes, the world is improving morally but is deteriorating/stagnating materially.

    2 1.90%
  • No, the world sucks all around.

    26 24.76%
  • Undecided.

    7 6.67%
  • I don't give a rip.

    4 3.81%
  • Nothing changes man, it's all the same trip

    14 13.33%
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandwagon
    No I'm not proposing the administration had anything to do with that.
    Then you're saying they adoped a policy, that didn't change anything in reality.
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    But it did provide the neocons with the opportunity to sell a long proposed invasion of Iraq.
    Thank God for that... But the reality there is that the US government was already sold on that, and simply waiting for an excuse. If that excuse had come durring Clinton we would have finished the Baath rule of Iraq then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999
    But the reality there is that the US government was already sold on that, and simply waiting for an excuse. If that excuse had come durring Clinton we would have finished the Baath rule of Iraq then.
    Really? Sure the Pentagon had a plan ready, ordered by Clinton in the wake of Desert Fox, who thought Saddam might try again. But I don't think the Clinton administration was ever contemplating a pre-emptive invasion.

    The PNAC report didn't come out until the 2000 election campaign. (And, sorry, it was called "Rebuilding America's Defences", not what I said -it's been a while-, I just checked).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandwagon
    I don't think the Clinton administration was ever contemplating a pre-emptive invasion.
    And before the excuse, neither was the Bush administration. Is it still pre-emptive if you're holding a broken cease-fire?
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administrationís goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. Itís the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandwagon
    But I don't think the Clinton administration was ever contemplating a pre-emptive invasion.
    You say that like it's a good thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandwagon
    I don't think the Clinton administration was ever contemplating a pre-emptive invasion.
    Yeah he did. He invaded Monica Lewinsky!!
    Last edited by Kansas Bear; 12 Aug 06, at 22:55.

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    Ruh-roh. Where death's steed goes so he must follow...

    LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
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    The ballot is rigged.

    I would have voted for The world is the same as always. Nothing has changed Or None of the above

    Allow me to qualify that: There are many worlds. The good armchair general, as is his right, chose that of human endeavor. One can hold that nothing has changed qualitatively or quantitatively in that world. So, had he wanted to accommodate all possible viewpoints, he would have included "no change".

    Therefore, my vote is a write-in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    Therefore, my vote is a write-in.
    Not any more, the poll has been expanded to you can retro-fit the legality of your post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Not any more, the poll has been expanded to you can retro-fit the legality of your post

    We may consider you for head of the Federal Election Commission.
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    I 2nd that whole heartily. The man can count sheep blindfolded ... and without using his hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    I 2nd that whole heartily. The man can count sheep blindfolded ... and without using his hands.
    Hmm. Sounds as if that statement could be rather rude
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    While the world is definitely getting better, the level of repartee is not.
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    I think with all this strife, where none knows where the terrorists will strike, I wonder if the world is better.

    Lucky are those who don't have to worry that they will be home after a honest day's work!


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    The world runs in a sine regime.

    Civilization gets strong -> civilization gets rich. It gets rich -> it gets fat and defenceless. Defenceless civilization -> barbarians come and invade. Barbarians conquer -> they get strong and rich ...

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    I can't speak for the world. But the UK is 100% deteriorating in many ways. It's almost as if every kid is a chav (hoodlum, whatever it's called in your part of the world) with no sense of respect for anything, and seriously under-educated.

    Then there's the growing problem of extremists, Alot of them from Pakistan. Lets hope that when they see their government against said extremists. They will follow suit and not go the other way, they need to reclaim their religion back.

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