Is the world getting better? - Page 4

Confed999 · 08-12-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bandwagon

No I'm not proposing the administration had anything to do with that.

Then you're saying they adoped a policy, that didn't change anything in reality.

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Originally Posted by bandwagon

But it did provide the neocons with the opportunity to sell a long proposed invasion of Iraq.

Thank God for that... But the reality there is that the US government was already sold on that, and simply waiting for an excuse. If that excuse had come durring Clinton we would have finished the Baath rule of Iraq then.

bandwagon · 08-12-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Confed999

But the reality there is that the US government was already sold on that, and simply waiting for an excuse. If that excuse had come durring Clinton we would have finished the Baath rule of Iraq then.

Really? Sure the Pentagon had a plan ready, ordered by Clinton in the wake of Desert Fox, who thought Saddam might try again. But I don't think the Clinton administration was ever contemplating a pre-emptive invasion.

The PNAC report didn't come out until the 2000 election campaign. (And, sorry, it was called "Rebuilding America's Defences", not what I said -it's been a while-, I just checked).

Confed999 · 08-12-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bandwagon

I don't think the Clinton administration was ever contemplating a pre-emptive invasion.

And before the excuse, neither was the Bush administration.

Is it still pre-emptive if you're holding a broken cease-fire?

Anon · 08-12-2006, 17:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bandwagon

But I don't think the Clinton administration was ever contemplating a pre-emptive invasion.

You say that like it's a good thing...

Kansas Bear · 08-12-2006, 17:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bandwagon

I don't think the Clinton administration was ever contemplating a pre-emptive invasion.

Yeah he did. He invaded Monica Lewinsky!!

Anon · 08-12-2006, 18:38 PM

Ruh-roh. Where death's steed goes so he must follow...

LOL.

JAD_333 · 07-14-2007, 19:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Only people who have voted may ask questions

The ballot is rigged.

I would have voted for The world is the same as always. Nothing has changed Or None of the above

Allow me to qualify that: There are many worlds. The good armchair general, as is his right, chose that of human endeavor. One can hold that nothing has changed qualitatively or quantitatively in that world. So, had he wanted to accommodate all possible viewpoints, he would have included "no change".

Therefore, my vote is a write-in.

**Parihaka** · 07-14-2007, 19:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JAD_333

Therefore, my vote is a write-in.

Not any more, the poll has been expanded to you can retro-fit the legality of your post

JAD_333 · 07-14-2007, 19:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Not any more, the poll has been expanded to you can retro-fit the legality of your post

We may consider you for head of the Federal Election Commission.

**Officer of Engineers** · 07-14-2007, 20:06 PM

I 2nd that whole heartily. The man can count sheep blindfolded ... and without using his hands.

glyn · 07-15-2007, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

I 2nd that whole heartily. The man can count sheep blindfolded ... and without using his hands.

Hmm. Sounds as if that statement could be rather rude

**Parihaka** · 07-15-2007, 05:03 AM

While the world is definitely getting better, the level of repartee is not.

Ray · 07-16-2007, 17:37 PM

I think with all this strife, where none knows where the terrorists will strike, I wonder if the world is better.

Lucky are those who don't have to worry that they will be home after a honest day's work!

entropy · 07-16-2007, 18:26 PM

The world runs in a sine regime.

Civilization gets strong -> civilization gets rich. It gets rich -> it gets fat and defenceless. Defenceless civilization -> barbarians come and invade. Barbarians conquer -> they get strong and rich ...

Mekstizzle · 07-16-2007, 18:27 PM

I can't speak for the world. But the UK is 100% deteriorating in many ways. It's almost as if every kid is a chav (hoodlum, whatever it's called in your part of the world) with no sense of respect for anything, and seriously under-educated.

Then there's the growing problem of extremists, Alot of them from Pakistan. Lets hope that when they see their government against said extremists. They will follow suit and not go the other way, they need to reclaim their religion back.

View Poll Results: In the long run, is the world getting better? (Please read first post before voting.)
Yes, the world is improving both materially and morally..	17	16.35%
Yes, the world is improving materially but is deteriorating/stagnating morally.	34	32.69%
Yes, the world is improving morally but is deteriorating/stagnating materially.	2	1.92%
No, the world sucks all around.	26	25.00%
Undecided.	7	6.73%
I don't give a rip.	4	3.85%
Nothing changes man, it's all the same trip	14	13.46%
Voters: 104. You may not vote on this poll

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Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	I 2nd that whole heartily. The man can count sheep blindfolded ... and without using his hands. __________________ Chimo

07-16-2007, 17:37 PM	#58 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 26,136 Country:	I think with all this strife, where none knows where the terrorists will strike, I wonder if the world is better. Lucky are those who don't have to worry that they will be home after a honest day's work! __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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entropy Senior Reader *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 03-19-07 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,628 Country:	The world runs in a sine regime. Civilization gets strong -> civilization gets rich. It gets rich -> it gets fat and defenceless. Defenceless civilization -> barbarians come and invade. Barbarians conquer -> they get strong and rich ... __________________ If memory serves...

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Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Ruh-roh. Where death's steed goes so he must follow... LOL.

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Mekstizzle Regular Join Date: 12-03-06 Location: London, England Posts: 29	I can't speak for the world. But the UK is 100% deteriorating in many ways. It's almost as if every kid is a chav (hoodlum, whatever it's called in your part of the world) with no sense of respect for anything, and seriously under-educated. Then there's the growing problem of extremists, Alot of them from Pakistan. Lets hope that when they see their government against said extremists. They will follow suit and not go the other way, they need to reclaim their religion back.

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