dalem

What about them in this context? One does not obviate the other.

-dale

bull

Its does,the violonce on the street will render democracy useless.

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What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
The ones in the casinos are serious.

Leader

Like, Red herring

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Leader

Seeing as how you've refuted only the things you imagined I said, I really have no response.

Leader

I'm not ignoring you Bulgaroctonus, BTW. I just don't have time tonight to do a response justice.

bull

No i havent refuted anything.I am just responsding to your post. As i undertstand it most of the posts of urs gives out a message that since US is doing it ,it has to be right.
My comments are just a response to that,nothing more.

dalem

How so?

-dale

Bulgaroctonus

I don't care, I'm surprised you're even still awake. I have to do a big paper, that's why I'm still dropping in at these late hours. I don't know what keeps you up.

I still have plenty of threads I don't have time to reply properly to.

Leader

Please find me such a post. I'd never say something so stupid. The US government takes certain actions. I support some of them and oppose others. I support the Iraq war. You don't seem to understand why I do. It's not just because "the US is doing it." But rather because I believe it is objectively right which is based on the facts. Most of the time I support my countries actions. That's because most of the time my country is right on the facts.

But the above doesn't come even close to describing the complexity of my beliefs. It's a cheap simplification based on prejudice and lack of understanding.

Leader

I'm up every night. Part of the Poker Player/College Student lifestyle I guess. I'm working on a research paper for my Literature class tonight.

Bulgaroctonus

Oh well, we're both burning the midnight oil. Good luck with your paper.

Leader

Thanks you too.

bull

If people are scraed to walk in roads,how will the country work?

SloMax

No, far from it
I know as much about America as you do about Europe.
No, you are fixing mistakes you made in 2003
You mean as Mr. Cheney was bribed by Halliburton to foreseen WMD to get oil contracts in Iraq. Clean your own house up before you judge others.
If you think that countries that did not support the war are supporting terrorism, you have IMO the wrong way of looking at things. The fact is Iraq product more terrorism and until today didn't solve nothing and don't give some BS on freedom. What is freedom if you can enjoy it because of fear for your life? It's true that majority of Iraqis say they like the new political freedom, but you forget they also say that overall situation was better under Sadam. When Iraqi Shia dominated government won't need you in Iraq any more then they will stab you in the back.

There is a lot of different approach to combat terrorism and most Europeans think the US approach is the wrong one. If you can't respect another opinion and then call those countries immoral...well I can't do nothing about it, but say you are wrong.
Then stop b****** about France and Germany as if they stabbed you in the back. I assume you opinion is based on misunderstanding of Europe and the problem of terrorism. You have a different opinion, fine... I respect that but don't drag someone into dirt because he doesn’t agree with you.

Leader

Then we should both shut up. You first bud.

Yes, but not in the way you think.

You’re misinformed. Willfully it would seem. That you state such complete nonsense as fact is amusing.

Not supporting isn't my problem. You know that too.

The vast majority of Iraqis aren't in any more fearful for there lives then they were before the war. Murders are just reported by the world press instead of being hidden in Saddam’s back rooms. Most of Iraq is relatively peaceful. That’s not important to you however. So feel free to ignore it.

What? No.

I'm amazed how many leftist beliefs are based on nonsense predictions of the future.

Do you really think I care even a little about the opinions of Eurolanders?

Being wrong with a lot of other people doesn't deserve respect. Laughter maybe, but not respect.

That's right that's all you can do because there is no substance or understanding behind your positions only ideology and ignorance. You know nothing about America and you don't have a clue what's going on in Iraq.

FYP

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

How did I do that? You started this little discussion as I recall. I said Europeans had ****ed up the world. Your retort was that America does the same thing. You didn't even engage my point. So don't give me any crap about how noble your argument is.