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Old 11-05-2005, 23:12 PM   #61 (permalink)
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find out who said this quote.

"We will probably need a major concentration of forces in the Middle East over a long period of time.
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When we have economic problems, it's been caused by disruptions in our oil supply.
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If we have a force in Iraq, there will be no disruption in oil supplies."
Not always true.

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“In particular, removing the regime of Saddam Hussein ... would be a tremendous step toward reducing Saudi leverage.
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Bringing Iraqi oil fully into world markets would improve energy economics.
Don’t see how you can argue with that.

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From a military and strategic perspective, Iraq is more important than Saudi Arabia.”
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i'm not a subscriber to the weekly standard, thus i have no access to their archives. but i do read what they put out on their website, and plus, they were quite popular in washingon circa 2003, so it wasn't hard to pick up on what they were saying.
You should it's informative.

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i guess you're not a big fan of the enlightenment, classical music, renaissance culture, contributions to philosophy, writing, etc etc etc.
I guess you're a big fan of fascism and communism; genocide and world wars; moronic economic policies and out right cowardice.

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give me a break, have you lived and worked in europe, leader? aw hell, you don't even need to live in europe to appreciate european culture. it's sorta sad when the only thing that comes to your mind when you think of european culture are "ideologies that don't past muster in the real world".
It's called reality. I'm sorry you can't take it.
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Old 11-06-2005, 00:06 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I guess you're a big fan of fascism and communism; genocide and world wars; moronic economic policies and out right cowardice.
just because one admires european culture doesn't mean one admires every single aspect of european culture. you seem to think those qualities are the sole defining features of european culture, which is ludicrous and insulting in the extreme.

try going to europe first before passing judgement on it. you remind me of those obnoxious frenchmen whom think that "american culture" consists of big macs, guns, and bombing other countries. to be sure, we have and do all of the three, but that is hardly the sum of american culture.
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Old 11-06-2005, 00:21 AM   #63 (permalink)
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just because one admires european culture doesn't mean one admires every single aspect of european culture. you seem to think those qualities are the sole defining features of european culture, which is ludicrous and insulting in the extreme.
I hope it's insulting. Maybe Europeans will stop ****ing up the world so everyone else has to fix it.

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try going to europe first before passing judgement on it.
No that's for people that give a **** about the place. I don't just as long as they leave the rest of humanity alone.

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you remind me of those obnoxious frenchmen whom think that "american culture" consists of big macs, guns, and bombing other countries. to be sure, we have and do all of the three, but that is hardly the sum of american culture.
Except he's wrong and I'm not.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:05 AM   #64 (permalink)
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How will this latest siege of the city of lights turn out??????????????
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/eu...eut/index.html
Lunatock, isnt it very absurd title to give...muslim uprsing!!!Its nothing to do with relegion,so then why drag islam into it.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:08 AM   #65 (permalink)
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In the beginning Iraq was about WMD and not terrorism, I don't see this as appeasement on terrorism. Sadam did a very good job of keeping Islamic terrorist outside Iraq (except support for Palestinian liberation groups).
Very right.

Iraq was abt WMD, US invasion led iraq to be a hotbed of terrorism.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:14 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Very right.

Iraq was abt WMD, US invasion led iraq to be a hotbed of terrorism.
Or terrorist meat grinder
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Old 11-06-2005, 03:31 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Or terrorist meat grinder
Isn't it funny that those kind of folks never EVER mention the fact that Iraqis have had their first free & fair elections ever, since the Coalition ousted Saddam?

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Old 11-06-2005, 04:35 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Isn't it funny that those kind of folks never EVER mention the fact that Iraqis have had their first free & fair elections ever, since the Coalition ousted Saddam?

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Or how many terrorists have died in a failed effort to stop it.
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Old 11-06-2005, 05:30 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Iraq was abt WMD
Amoung other things.....WMD's seemed to be the only thing the rest of the world cared about, barring that threat they were content to sit on their hands and do nothing.


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US invasion led iraq to be a hotbed of terrorism.
Duh!!! Thats what happens when you take out one of their biggest supporters.....
Funny how Palestine is a little quieter now that Saddam and Arafat are gone.
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Old 11-06-2005, 07:11 AM   #70 (permalink)
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I hope it's insulting. Maybe Europeans will stop ****ing up the world so everyone else has to fix it.
America fixing the world...LOL . America serves only in its interest and does not give a f*** about others. It’s the cause of a lot of problems around the world. US made a mistake in Iraq so now it’s paying the price. You call countries that foreseen this mess cowards, I call them smart. In fact you expect Europe to help you in your own mess.
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Old 11-06-2005, 10:56 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Funny how Palestine is a little quieter now that Saddam and Arafat are gone.
I am not arguing what you said in general. But this statement is not accurate. Palestine is not all that quiet, atleast I don't call the recent rocket attacks and Suicide bombing quiet. Secondly, the terror incidents have reduced because of the "wall".
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Old 11-06-2005, 10:57 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Very right.

Iraq was abt WMD, US invasion led iraq to be a hotbed of terrorism.
It doesn't matter anymore as to why they went in. The issue is that they finish the job they went in to do. If they don't finish the job, the middle east is going to become one serious craphole.
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:01 AM   #73 (permalink)
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The facts on the books seem to support that Muslims don't "like Europe" as much as they "like to move out of whatever crap hole they were living in before". A commonality among immigrants everywhere to be sure, but Europe has been largely unsuccessful in helping Muslims learn to like Europe in any way, shape, or form.

Is that Europe's fault? Is it "the Muslims" fault? I don't really know.

But I do know that we're about five minutes away from someone explaining how it is America's fault.

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To be fair, all muslim countries in the middle east aren't in terrible economic shape. Some are. So I am not sure about the "immigrant" mentality. In fact, Europe happens to be one of the most sought after destination for Education, tourism, emigration etc.

I am only against blanket statements like "All muslims are terrorists", "all muslims are bad" etc.

No. It is not America's fault.
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Old 11-06-2005, 16:21 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Funny how Palestine is a little quieter now that Saddam and Arafat are gone.
Palestine is quieter because there is a Huge Wall and the terrorists cannot scale it.

Palestine is quieter because Sharon has done something that was not ever imagined it would be ever agreed to - moving out of areas occupied after the war! A very bold and courageous step.

The moral ascendancy Sharon has now achieved cannot allow even the most ardent supporter of the Palestinians open their mouth!

That's why.

Arafat gone has helped, but again the importance of Saddam is just a crutch.

The real culprits seem to have missed your crosshair - its your bosom friends, the real fiends - the bankroller Saudi Arabia, the wahabi scum!
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What discriminatory practices does France utilize against people of North African descent? If it is a matter of the French people being racist in attitude but not action, then these riots are totally unjustified (racist attitudes are horrible, but destroying property is illegal, and certainly helps the racists persuade the mainstream population that their claims about immigrants are true). If it is a matter of high unemployment, then still, these riots are unjustified, nobody is entitled to be handed a job, especially not those who came illegally (I'm not saying most of these people are illegal immigrants, but some certainly are). If however, France has laws aimed at keeping these people downtrodden, then maybe this rioting is justified (again though, nobody is entitled to a job, not receiving affirmative action does not count as "laws to keep them downtrodden").

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