TopHatter

Ignoring the fact that there is no way in hell a field army could make it to the shores of the United States, nor parachute divisions to the American heartland....
I wonder what the effect of such an event would be?
I mean the American military response, the civilian reaction etc.
Improbable scenario? You better believe it.
Still and all, I just wonder....

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Anon

It would make the insurgency in Iraq look like it was being run by a bunch of kindergardeners.

There are millions of well trained, well armed veterans in the US(let alone the 10s of millions of armed cops, hunters, and recreational shootrs).

It would be a freaking bloodbath that would never end until the foriegn power withdrew.

TopHatter

Hmm...definitely not a land flowing with milk and honey
What about your average civilian...especially the liberal lefties that want to sit around the campfire singing Kumbaya, smoking everything but their shoes and eating s'mores?

FlyingCaddy

IMO, it depends where this invasion hits and with what force.
If the invasion lands on one of the coasts, its quite possible the majority of people will be easy to control especially in Southern California and the Northeast. However if the invasion is in the middle of the country you may find a partisan war similar to the Great Patriotic War. I think the Russian Front is a good example of where and how partisans work best, in the lightly populated, yet militarily essential places, blwoings up roads, rail lines, assinating officers and small units. They dont work as well in big cities (until recently) becasue of the density and the intermingling of friendlies (civilians) and enemies.

Anon

The West and East coasts are only insane liberal types in the big cities.

Once you get outside the cities, we're regular red blooded gun totin' Americans.

barrowaj

mmm... smores.

I saw Red Dawn. That movie sucked big time. Completely implausable, it was basically a piece of propaganda with the obligatory 80s era "teenagers save the world" theme thrown in for good measure.

What irked me is that it starts out with "Green party takes over Germany, demands withdrawal of ballistic missiles." Somehow that is supposed to lead to an invasion of America...

There is no threat of invasion for America, except by illegal immigrants.

"Once you get outside the cities, we're regular red blooded gun totin' Americans."

Or, you mean, insane bible beating reactionaries.

Anon

I follow nor believe in no form of organized religion...so i'd say NO, that's not what i mean.

PS: I also live in one of the biggest cities in the nation. A city with almost 60,000 licensed firearm carrying civilians to boot.

dalem

Are you really that reflexively contemptuous of so many of your fellow citizens, barrowaj?

-dale

lwarmonger

SU takes over Europe... next target USA, as the only force left to oppose it. Communism needs conquest to sustain itself, otherwise it falters.

Hmm. So subjective. Besides, where do you think the bulk of the people protecting you are coming from? Nationalism and belief means power. Fukoku Kyohei. Rich country with strong army. Without people in this country holding these ideals, America is weak and worthless. Incapable of impacting events around the world, or even looking after it's own security. I would hate to live in such a nation.

lwarmonger

Depends. We've never seen how a brutal enemy with a fully mechanized army handles an occupation. And with the US conquered, there would be no second front, to draw off the mechanized occupation forces. A bloodbath, but who would say uncle first is in question.

dalem

I would think that American cultural mythos and the reality of a belief in personal responsibility and defense (at least a little over half of the country still ) would preclude a lot of saying "uncle". I might not be able to hurt a tank with my collection of popguns, but I'd sure as sh!t try to go find somebody who could equip me, and do what they told me to do.

Also, I may not end up hoisting an AK and yelling "Wolverines!", but I can hide in the woods or mountains and be a pain in someone's occupying butt.

-dale

BasilKumar

Rebels of any nation can halt the invaders in most cases. At least slow them down. More than 60,000 people have died in two decades of civil war in Sri Lanka. Red Dawn is a film, not reality, that took on the US founding fathers maxim that "freedom is risk" to the maximum. The reality is not there yet fighting spirit entertains.

lwarmonger

And if for every occupying soldier that was killed, 100 American civilians were killed in return? How long could our population keep up that kind of exchange, even if we wanted too? I'm not saying that we wouldn't try, I'm just saying that we've never seen a mechanized occupation army, with the will to destroy large portions of the people they're occupying before. When 30 million of our citizens are dead, with no end in sight... how much longer could we keep up a war like that?

ChrisF202

You got a good point, many sources indicate that the Vietcong were unable to sucessfully operate by 1969 due to the casulties they had suffered. I would like to think that we would never give up and that we would fight to the last person in a "Red Dawn" type situation (as they did in the movie where all the Wolverines but like 1 or 2 were killed). But the reality is that, sadly, I think we would give up long before that, we only have so many people with weapons and the guts to do anything more then sit on their butt and watch tv or play on the computer. Also, most Americans only have acess to bolt action hunting rifles and pistols.... granted they may be able to take out a good number of the opposing forces but in the end, unless they can come up with better weaponry (like artillery, tanks, etc) and large numbers of trained troops they will be annilated.

TopHatter

Warmonger and Chris elucidated my thoughts exactly.
How well would America handle a modern mechanized army who does more then just slap around a few prisoners in a POW camp? We're talking massive round-ups, liquidations, labor camps etc.
I mean, the rest of the world just doesn't get how well behaved America has been in Iraq compared to virtually every other occupation in history.