Aryol

There were only 1% of people that wanted to break away.


Who is 'he'? what position? What you are talking about? The referendum were about status of Chechnya - whether to be independent or as a part of Russia. People said that they want to be in Russia.

That's just untrue. They did. You can't just close your eyes and ears and knowingly ignore facts.

omon

so what is so bad about it???
let new cold war begin, both countries benefited from it before, at least during cold war, ussr, and us kept their dogs on the leash. now dogs are loose, and bite everyone around.

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Equilibrium

Gorbachev is trying to both influence history's verdict on his legacy and regain political influence domestically.

By trying to assert his claims to the mantle of nationalism (out Putin Putin?) by claiming that the US betrayed the agreements reached during the Reagan-H.W. Bush era his analysis fits in with those of today's nationalistic Russian leaders- namely Russia's global power was eroded through the betrayl and mendacity of the US and the West and their supporters within the USSR. Gorbachev is trying to disassociate himself from this second group.

He has repeated on previous occassions that the USSR's collapse was a mistake. What I would like to see now are his policy proposals in light of his statement.

As I've said previously, Russia has never been in stasis, throughout its history it has either expanded or contracted in size and power. A nation that spans two continents seething with nationalism and resentment is not a situation the US, the West or the world should encourage.

Deltacamelately

Ahem....New Cold War in the era of Global Warming
As about the Russia n Iran vs US n Pakistan thingy...
boy this is the beauty of geopolitics.

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aktarian

Then how come other 99% fought Russians tooth and nail rather then greeting them with open arms as they came to liberate them?

Sorry, "he" is Dudayev, first president of Chechnya (of Chechen-Ingushia beck then)

They certanly didn't. they did, however, have a referendum about constitution which happened under Russian occupation and was called unfree and unfair by just about every observer. You mean this referendum?

Aryol

They mostly were 'greeting them with open arms as they came to liberate them'

And what referendum did he win? First Chechnya's elections? he didn't advocate independence then, he advocated it only after elections

Yes, i mean this referendum. And forget about observers, they all are already pre-paid.

Aryol

...sorry, but actually i don't even sure that there were elections, where Dudayev won. He was senior officer in the Soviet air force when USSR collapsed, and then he just seized the power in Chechnya relying on his army

Dreadnought

IN answer to your post lets consider this. Since everbody seems to time slide back to WWII so shall we.

Germany goes to battle against Russia,Poland etc etc and who is the majority of the population exterminated. The Jewish.

Irans president threatens Israel with complete extermination. Population majority jewish among others.

Russia supplies Iran the means to do it (nuclear materials) and they have already heard this man state it that he would and calls for it.

Who will be exterminated this time? My bets say it wont be the Jewish this time. My bets say the Jewish will be the ones holding the pencil eraser this time.

Just wait until you see what happens to the russian black market arms dealer they have in custody now that finally got caught. He will probably never see the light of day again.


Sumku, By the way, USS Trenton was not in half bad shape as the Carrier India is being blackmailed over was nor a fraction of its cost and they already have it. They could have had the KittyHawk as well in running condition.

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omon

you aren,t talking about Ludwig "Tarzan" Fainberg, are you???

Aryol

I suppose Dreadnought is talking about Victor Bout

Dreadnought

V.A. Bout was captured in Thailand. The Russians are attempting to pressure Thailand into not handing him over to the U.S. we will see what happens.

Russia has summoned Thailand's ambassador over his country's arrest of a Russian believed to be one of the world's most notorious black-market arms dealers, according to Reuters.

In a joint U.S.-Thai sting, Thai authorities nabbed Bout in Bangkok last month on drug charges. The United States is seeking Bout's extradition. It has accused Bout of agreeing to supply millions of dollars worth of weaponry to Columbian rebels.

"The ambassador of the Kingdom of Thailand...was summoned to the Russian foreign ministry and handed a note in connection with violations of the rights of Russian citizen V.A. Bout who is under arrest in Thailand at the request of the United States," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement, the news agency reported.

Dreadnought

Yes that would be him. Many governments from what I understand would very much like to speak with Mr Bout.

Sumku

You completely missed the Point.
Why not earlier. Surely History neither starts and definitely doesnt ends with WWII. Just because of what Hitler did against Jews does not mean Jews are the Worlds most prosecuted lot. There are parallels here between Israel and India.

Everytime Russia SELLS something to Iran, Isreal feels threatened and everytime US GIFTS something to Nuclear Pakistan, India also feel threatened.

As concerns Gorshkov Deal that India has signed up with Russia is not going in proper manner and that the reason I had mentioned earlier that I am not a great admirer of Russia.

Q A Khan rings a Bell? To how many countries has this man given Nuclear Knowhow? Which country gave Nuclear tech to Iran in the First Place - Russia or Pakistan.

What is the difference between a Person who openly states that he would wipe a country off of the face of earth and the person that does not say so quite openly but plots to do exactly the same to another country?

See I am not stating that US is right or wrong. Russia is right or wrong.
Both are guilty to some extent. However I fully understand that its quite hard to see one's own country as a defaulter.

highsea

I laugh every time I hear this one.

Al Gore didn't have any right or authority to make such a statement, and the Russians know it.

It's governed by the Helsinki Accords, which Gorby knows full well, unless he has forgotten Eastern Germany.

Sovereign countries are free to decide which alliances they enter into or not. It's not a US decision.

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Aryol

Al Gore? what is he doing here?

"The Americans promised that Nato wouldn't move beyond the boundaries of Germany after the Cold War but now half of central and eastern Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be trusted."

- Nato's expansion not far than to the borders of east Germany was the main term when the Berlin wall was broken. And this clause was documented and signed. But now Nato just ignore this agreement.

...and yes, sovereign countries are free to decide, but military blocks that signed documents didn't free to decide whether to expand futher or not. ideally.