omon

[quote=Stan187;337875]In first grade, a kid came up to me and said "You kinda look like a Jew, are you?" I was like, "Yeah, I am" and he said "Oh, my mom told me not to play with you people".

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i had almost similar situation when i was in 4th or 5th grade a kid asked me if i was a jew,(i look noting like a jew, more like nazi, light hear, blue eyes), i didn't even answered him, just punched him in the mouth, knocked out few teeth,those were the last words he said to me for the rest of the school, for 5 or 6 years.
i lived in ukraine for most of my life, i've seen quite a few jew haters, but those were individual cases, not a ussr policy, name one multicultural country that doesn't have someone hate other race, or nationality, can you? i can't.

Alex_Ivanov

And it's common when children dislike those who isn't similar to them. You don't need to be a jew to feel it. It's enough if you live in another district of town or study better than someone, or listen for another music, or dress differently, etc. But as omon stated, there're always ways to solve the problem and not especially by knocking out teeth. Plus, such attitude usually disappears with advancing age.

Dad's sad story reminds me old tale of "I'm the best, but they don't like me because of something (nationality, eye or hair color, independent behaviour, because I'm more talented than they, etc). All such stories I saw before had one thing in common - self-overestimation, that demanded
someone else to be found guilty.

I personally met very few jews in my life, but all three jews I met weren't the nicest people around, so if they feel any dislike, it's explainable. At the same time I can't say anything about jews in general, because three examples hardly can be used for some generalisation.

Stan187

My dad is actually quite a brilliant man. He won all kinds of math and physics Olympiads when in school, and was at the head of his class. Guess what, when he took the same exams back in Kishenev he aced them again. Ain't it funny? The only reason was that the guy at exam table didn't care that he was a Jew, and that's it.

It was part of policy. Mr. First asked for my personal story, I gave it. The fact that my personal school story didn't prove that is besides the point, the instance of a little kid did not have anything to do with the system, nor did I claim that.

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Stan187

No. But that doesn't show that it wasn't part of policy.

Stan187

On paper, the USSR was tolerant. On paper, the Russian force going into Grozny in 1994 was powerful.

dave lukins

Stan, if at the end of the day you are proud of your Father..then be dammed to the thoughts and words of others far less intelligent than him..turn the other cheek!!

Zeng

Zraver, Thanks for the facts.

Alex_Ivannov has answered many of your questions. I agree with him.


First, China and Russia solved their disputes over their border. The last disputed 3 islands in the bordering river were divided between China and Russia . China and Russia each got a small island. The larger island was divided into 2 parts, one part for China and one part for Russia .
China-Russia border agreement example for settling disputes: FM

I didn’t know any disputes over any part of Mongolia either.

Second, we don’t agree that PRC fought 4 wars on foreign soil since its creation. PRC fought Korea war on Korea soil by invitation. China fought Sino-Vietnam war partly on Vietnam soil for border dispute and other reasons. There is debate in China today if we should fight that war the way we fought for red Cambodia although most people still support China’s Koran war effort. Today, I don’t think that China wants to fight another Koran war either against N. Korea or protecting N. Korea.

Anyway, American went thousand miles come to fight. China fought in front of its door. The China fought other wars on disputed areas.

Third, I agree that it is a massive pressure but if you deal with it wisely, it becomes your competition strength. It is China’s competition strength now.

Fourth, how massive? More than Mexican immigrant incursions to American? Will Mexican immigrant causes war between Mexico and America ?

China is a poor country. Poor Chinese just like poor Mexican go to American looking for a better life for themselves and their families. Giving the opportunity, the hard working Chinese go to anywhere in the world. The new Russian immigration law will drive many Chinese back to China .

Fifth, I totally agree with Alex_Ivannov, buying resources is much easier than going to war with any country, no need to mention the mighty Russia.

NATO is rushing to Russsia's heart land, the Europe Russia.


During China’s terrible “culture revolution” era, China and USSR was in much worse relation. In my personal opinion, I think that Mao should bear more responsibility than Khrushchev should in the break of China/USSR relation. Of cause, Khrushchev's big brother attitude and his proposal of a joint Navy would not be well accepted by Mao.

China/USSR relation was calmed and then improved even before USSR's disintegration. When Gorbachev visited Beijing in May 1989, Chinese students occupied Tiananmen square demanding democracy. The Deng Xiaoping must have been embarrassed greatly.

Mao’s era died with him. Communism is a foreign idea, good or bad. Chinese come back to their traditional culture. Chinese don’t have extreme religious ideology and can be friend to everyone. Respect the older, respect the order, respect the discipline, respect the neighbor and respect each other are Chinese culture. Chinese are not expansionists after main stream Chinese culture prevailed in Han dynasty almost 2000 years ago. After Han dynasty, most China's expansion was caused by China's invaders. They invaded China and brought their land into China. They accepted Chinese culture and finally become Chinese. The same story repeated itself many times. Those new Chinese were normally more aggressive than the Chinese. China was a little bit aggressive in Tang dynasty, but some people believe that the Tang emperors were Chinesenized Hun (匈奴) or Chinese influenced by Hun culture. However, they created the golden age for China .

In Ming Dynasty, from 1405 to 1433, Zheng He led the largest fleet in the world at that time and traveled to Africa, but Chinese did not enslave Africans, did not occupy any places and did not loot the locals. That answered the question of Alex_Ivanov why China hadn't colonized Siberia and Far East before Russians came there. Chinese culture developed from land agriculture. Chinese hardly go to places that can not farm in that time. Chinese lived on their own hard working. China's ancient north neighbors frequently lived on looting China. If China didn’t have communist and Mao, I am not even sure whether China would have the courage to get Tibet back.

Chinese are hard working to make small amount of money to support their family. Sending their kids to a better school is much much more important to them than any other things in the world. My parents saved every penny for my education. China is finally getting a better time to heal its wounds caused by itself and others. We don't want any wars with anyone unless is imposed. Chinese defense budget is really for defense. I think that among the 5 UNSC permanent members, China is the only one that had announced nuclear policy of “No First Use” to any countries since the first day it tested nuke.

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Four wars minimum

Korea. Sino-Indian (and I'm not including the incidents in 1971 and 1983). Sino-Soviet. Two Sino-Vietnam (1979 and 1984). And if you include Taiwan - that's 6 wars after 1949.

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Zeng

Sino-Indian and Sino-Soviet wars were fought on disputed lands. We think that Taiwan is part of China whether others agree or not.

Ray

By that logic, the US invaded Iraq.

So, the US will invade the world!

Fallacy of the undistributed middle?

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omon

hating someone different, isn't any country's policy, it's part of human nature, the poorer the person is the more chances, he is going to hate someone who isn't, and blame them for it, hate, greed, geloucy, didn't come from government, human nature is the reason.
even bible proves it, when the first war in known human history took 1\4 population out. remember kain killed avel. it started back then, and it always be like that, in any country. if you want to blame someone, blame god, he made us like that.

Zeng

Ray,

I don't think that Chinese are sharper or sillier than any other people. China had long history of doing business and created some more experienced businessmen.

As an ancient culture, Chinese culture has its greateness to support it enduring all the difficults and mistakes for more than 2000 years and lasting to today. It is a proven culture and tested by the long human history.

As an ancient culture, Chinese culture also has its drawback. It is hard to accept new idea and new standard because their traditional life style has become part of their life. Intellectual property right is a new idea, no ancient culture has ever had it. It is something that China needs to learn by the time. Voliation of intellectual property right also prevents innovation in China. Company would not want to invest on R&D. China is working on it and becomes the major intellectual property buyer in the world. Of cause, China can not solve its problem over night.

Because of our ancient culture and traditional life style, it makes Chinese hard to be totally localized by their host countries just like the Jews. Some of them may not even speak Chinese any more but still live a Chinese life style to some degree and would not fully get involved into local community, which makes them hard to be welcome by the local people.

On the other hand, discrimination to Chinese by some countries made Chinese even harder to get integrated into local community. For example, IIRC, the discrimination law toward Chinese in America was abolished until WWII.

I don't think that Chinese is any better or worse than others. But I think that Chinese culture is a good culture just like many other cultures around world. Communicating these cultures together, learn from each other and overcome their drawbacks is a way to go.

Talk about Chinese in America, the American statistics show that Chinese American criminal rate is very low and Chinese American college graduate rate is very high, which show some goodness of Chinese culture. On the other hand, Chinese in American has their problems. They hardly go to vote. They normally live in their closed Chinese circle. Even for the religion, they go to their own Chinese church. Hard to get integrated into local community is especially a problem for the Chinese American come from mainland China. I visited America several times and know many of them, although they are very nice to me and give me lot of help when I visit there.

Chinese are improving themselves. Washington state got a governer of Chinese American. Many Chinese have been pretty much localized. We had first Chinese citizen in American army died in Iraq, who fights for his host country, although his parents did not want him to join the army.

Ray

Zeng_xinren

As far as Indian Chinese are concerned, they are a great lot. No complaints about them.

The statistics that you show about everything in moderation in China is because you have a totalitarian regime that brooks no nonsense against the State.

This has nothing to do with Chinese culture.

It doesn't matter if they integrate with the local customs and society, so long as they have their excellent Chinese restaurants and the Chinese shoemakers and other artisans who are excellent in their trade.

The wooden staircase in my house none could make till my father contact Mr Chun, a Chinese carpenter.

Even today, it is a beauty and a heartburn to many including the Corporation inspector who sated that a wooden staircase is dangerous since it could burn!

But they are sharp businessmen.

Top Hatter is right about counterfeits about the Chinese Chinese from China.

Indian Chinese are not like that.

Ruskiy

[quote=Alex_Ivanov;337336]USSR internal policy was so tolerant, that Russians themselves were infringed. As Firral said, minorities had a lot of privilegies, while Russians didn't. If you're chukcha, you could enter university without any exams, if you're tungus, you could get apartment without waiting in line, e.t.c If you're Russian, you could get nothing. I do not say Russians were cold and hungry, but minorities had priority in all their needs and that was a problem.QUOTE]

Yeah, and if you are black (African) you could get beer like 5 times cheaper in a ber than Russian or any other Soviet man like Ukranian or Bilorus'

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´´Yeah, and if you are black (African) you could get beer like 5 times cheaper in a ber than Russian or any other Soviet man like Ukranian or Bilorus' ´´- I have spent last 3 minutes trying to make a sense out of this sentence... Your signature is hilarious, but the post - I give up

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