kNikS

I guess that would be ‘Fala ti brate. But in any case – Greeks won’t fight alone as far as Serbs are concerned.

But if we would have to be constructive - it’s a much more complicated than quantities of assets.

What would be the cause and political implications?

What would NATO do? I doubt that would be some side picking but there is certainly a question how Germany will act considering its large Muslim population. Would it be some sort of peace keeping force and how much time for deployment would be needed?

It wouldn’t be only Turkey vs. Greece. Balkan would be heavily inflamed if such conflict happens. That will cause huge instability or even breakup of Bosnia, where Republic of Srpska would try to unite with Serbia and Croats in Croat-Muslim federation would try to unite with Croatia. Croatia certainly won’t sit and wait. Muslims from Bosnia and Muslims from Serbia and Montenegro (weather it is one state or two) would ask for state or at least autonomy. Albanians will start their campaign in Macedonia, southern Serbia and border areas in Montenegro, as well as in Greece. Bulgaria might easily join the Greek side. Russia would certainly love to scrap its part of a cake and come out from Black sea. Kurds will also seek for some form of autonomy.

Military aspect – what’s the Greek and Turkish order of battle? Who would have the air and naval superiority? And (linked to possible peace keeping forces) how long this conflict would last? Also, Gazi’s thoughts seem to be pretty reasonable. And there would be certainly some (re)action in Muslim world…

These are the things that immediately came to mind.

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AlpErTunga

Greece have NEVER fight alone...She hasn't been able to decide herself...NEVER...Greece is nothing but the dog of Europe...

Greece is doomed to be defeated by Turks...Alone or with all the world.

You can check sources Greece has never fought alone and she has never won a battle against to Turks...even their independence war...

Goatboy

Turkey might gain the upper hand in a military conflict with Greece but this conflict would be limited. No way in hell is Turkey going to actually occupy Greece, any more than China was going to occupy Vietnam in 1979 when they invaded
Turkey's ability to project force much beyond their borders is certainly quite limited. I don't see a massive Turkish supply train supporting hundreds of thousands of soldiers several hundred miles into mountanous enemy territory (Greece).

Simullacrum

Dogs of Europe....lol thats rich coming from a Turk.... the only country 'which apparently is in europe politically ' and is a burdorn and backwards is Turkey.!

Compared to what Greece has given to the wolrd...and What turkey has given is minute and pathetic..!
Who are the truks...a bunch of nomadic mongrols descended from somewere in mongolia, who have acheived nothing on the world platform.

the Greeks have given 100 fold, from civilisation, to langauge, maths, physics, poetry, astronamy, culture, architecuture, militry doctarine/warfare, to name just a few.

What you call Instanbull...ITS original name is Constantinople which is greek..!
the greek city was establsihed by Roman emperor Constatine [Which even the Educated Romans of that time prefered to speak in Greek then in Latin.]
Even the word Instanbull is derived from the greek "εις την πόλιν" (eis tin Poli)
Typical Turks....Hagia Sophia such a beutifull building..stick four minarets next to it and declare its Turkish.

Most of your ancient ruins and buildings are of Greek Architecture. Have you ever wonder why that was..?? Cause Greeks habitated what you now call turkey long before turks arrived.! It was also under the control of Alexander the great.
the greeks have been fighting wars way before the Turks.!

The republic of turkey was founded in 1923.! republic of Greece streaches far further then that.!

Before you come trancing into these forums talking crap.....go Learn some histroy before you open your mouth.!

By reading your threads...you probably wont be able to understand a word im saying...Just proves my point of You being an ignorant Turk.!

kNikS

I don't need to check the sources, I know perfectly history of Balkans. But you might want to check where Belgrade, Serbia (place where I am posting from, if you didn't noticed) is on the map of Europe. As well as the Athens, Greece. It is in Europe. It also happens to be a cradle of civilization in Europe.

But I also perfectly know what is this all about. Facts above, as well as the facts that Greece is seven times smaller than Turkey and that Greece defeated Turkey, alone or with help of other European nations, make you feel like sh!t.

AlpErTunga

A Turk only smiles after your theese words. Shame on you... How ignorant are you... If Ottomans hadn't let you live, there would not have been a greece or anything...

There is a proverb from Turks;

MERT MEYDANDA BELLI OLUR!
Mighty one shows himself in battlefield.

This is my last answer to dog barkings whose will never bite us...Enjoy yourselves.

Mérci beacoup...

Lordanonymous

+1 My dear friend...
The first serious answer ...
we have discuss alot of times and analyses in a very serious way matters which concern both of our countrys in here...
http://s7.invisionfree.com/worldconf...ex.php?act=idx

This isnt a advertisement try...nor do i have the need to advertise...
but rather to protect some very respectabell Turks...who actually have knowledge and high level of respect.


Regards

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kNikS

ROFL…I hit your raw nerve.

Shame on me? Where are you posting from? Asia Minor? You are the one banned from Europe. Defeated. Politically or militarily. Swallow it.

Your if didn’t survived the test of history. As well as your Ottoman empire.

Oh we did it. First Balkan war, independent Greece, Serbia and other Balkan countries are the best testimonies for that.

Dog barking? You are the one spilling your idiotic insults to Greece and Greek people as well as your middle age Ottoman fantasies. And yes, we indeed enjoy ourselves. We have a good reason to feel so.

Don’t tell me – you are season worker in France? Au revoir!

Azazel

@AlpErTunga

Wow!!!!! You must be one hell of Intelligent person!!!!!
Gongratulations!!!!!

You you remind me the mentallity from the "Grey Wolfs".

Be serius man!!! Grow up!!!

Thanks

MentaL

How can a Turk explain the fact that their arrival and occupation of the Balkans, sank the region in a large period of darkness? And really, these were the dark ages for all the countries in the region at a time where the rest of the Europe was shacked by new ideas and was making some huge steps forward after 1789. All Balkan nations,highly cultivated-at least before and after the Ottoman occupation- and with a history going far back in the past,lost the early train fon industrialization and progress in all fields due to a violent ruler with a much poorer civilization.
Its since then typical for a Turk to understand civilization in terms of military power. But it’s a general rule that power and glory come and go, but acts and monuments of civilization are forever! And what can be written about the Turks and their poor offer in global civilization beside of cource genocides,massive masacres and brutality?
And OK,we couldn’t progress because of the Turks,why couldn’t they?What stops them from doing so today? Because the Ottomans have bylong pushed away (and by Turks themselves) and balkans rapidly evolved, but where does modern Turkey stands today? Somewhere between democracy,dictatorship and islamism, constantly aggressive and on crisis and with nobody left to abuse in their territory except themselves and of course the Kurds.
Who can really prove me wrong?
Take into account that I used -and I partly do- believe in the Greek-Turkish approach. But facts show that a Turk is always a Turk…

To the Greek F-16 pilot Heliakes who lost his life in the Aegean sea. May god rest him in peace.

Azazel

They cannot explain!!!!!!!!!

One question : How come all the minorities that living in Turkey shrink down every day that passes!!!!!!!!!???

Iam also with the friendly approach with the Turks but they must change radically.

my compassion goes to the Family of Hliakis who lost his in this Undeclared war over the Aigean.

Azazel

Anyway to come back to the Subject, I do not think at this point where the relations between Greece and Turkey are,will be any scenarios for conflict.

They only possible scenario for a conflict will be in case of another Aegean Krisis. As it happened couple of days ago, when the Turks tried to take pictures from the S-300 that are in the near of Karpathos and we lost an pilot.

resiak

A greekish-turkis face off is far away and will likely never happen

NATO rules

J`ve

"TREATY OF PEACE WITH TURKEY SIGNED AT LAUSANNE
JULY 24, 1923
THE CONVENTION RESPECTING THE REGIME OF THE STRAITS AND OTHER INSTRUMENTS SIGNED AT LAUSANNE
THE BRITISH EMPIRE, FRANCE, ITALY, JAPAN, GREECE, ROUMANIA and the SERB-CROAT-SLOVENE STATE,

of the one part,

and TURKEY,

of the other part;

..

(I) No naval base and no fortification will be established in the said islands.

(2) Greek military aircraft will be forbidden to fly over the territory of the Anatolian coast. Reciprocally, the Turkish Government will forbid their military aircraft to fly over the said islands.

(3) The Greek military forces in the said islands will be limited to the normal contingent called up for military service, which can be trained on the spot, as well as to a force of gendarmerie and police in proportion to the force of gendarmerie and police existing in the whole of the Greek territory.

...

Done at Lausanne, the 24th July, 1923, in a single copy, which will be deposited in the archives of the Government of the French Republic, which will transmit a certified copy to each of the Contracting Powers."




is that mean anything?

Azazel

@J`ve

To whom????

Why dont you just express your own opinion and not with Artikles and paragraphs but as you started then be Kind and publish the Whole Article 13.


ARTICLE 13.
With a view to ensuring the maintenance of peace, the Greek Government undertakes to observe the following restrictions in the islands of Mytilene, Chios, Samos and Nikaria:
(I) No naval base and no fortification will be established in the said islands.
(2) Greek military aircraft will be forbidden to fly over the territory of the Anatolian coast. Reciprocally, the Turkish Government will forbid their military aircraft to fly over the said islands.
(3) The Greek military forces in the said islands will be limited to the normal contingent called up for military service, which can be trained on the spot, as well as to a force of gendarmerie and police in proportion to the force of gendarmerie and police existing in the whole of the Greek territory


So if you try to Imply something then i will recommend you to look at this :

ARTICLE 38.
The Turkish Government undertakes to assure full and complete protection of life and liberty to all inhabitants of Turkey without distinction of birth, nationality, language, race or religion.
All inhabitants of Turkey shall be entitled to free exercise, whether in public or private, of any creed, religion or belief, the observance of which shall not be incompatible with public order and good morals.
Non-Moslem minorities will enjoy full freedom of movement and of emigration, subject to the measures applied, on the whole or on part of the territory, to all Turkish nationals, and which may be taken by the Turkish Government for national defence, or for the maintenance of public order.

Now the same question back to you

IS THAT MEAN ANYTHING?????

PS:" If i havent understood whatyou were trying to say before then i am asking Sorry"