US Army admits Iraqis outnumber foreign fighters as its main enemy

troung · 12-08-2005, 01:44 AM

US Army admits Iraqis outnumber foreign fighters as its main enemy
By Toby Harnden in Ramadi
(Filed: 04/12/2005)
Iraqis, rather than foreign fighters, now form the vast majority of the insurgents who are waging a ferocious guerrilla war against United States forces in Sunni western Iraq, American commanders have revealed.
Their conclusion, disclosed to the Sunday Telegraph in interviews over 10 days in battle-torn Anbar province, contradicts the White House message that outsiders are the principal enemy in Iraq.

Of 1,300 suspected insurgents arrested over the past five months in and around Ramadi, none has been a foreigner. Col John Gronski, senior officer in the town, Anbar's provincial capital, said that almost all insurgent fighting there was by Iraqis. Foreigners provided only money and logistical support.
"The foreign fighters are staying north of the [Euphrates] river, training and advising, like the Soviets were doing in Vietnam," he said.
Although there are tensions between Iraqi insurgents and foreigners from the group al-Qaeda in Iraq, led by the Jordanian zealot Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, there are also alliances of convenience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...FIQMFSFFWAVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2005/12/04/wirq04.xml

**Shek** · 12-08-2005, 01:57 AM

Dammit Troung! Quit egging me on! Stop posting articles by idiots

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Originally Posted by troung

US Army admits Iraqis outnumber foreign fighters as its main enemy
By Toby Harnden in Ramadi
(Filed: 04/12/2005)
Iraqis, rather than foreign fighters, now form the vast majority of the insurgents who are waging a ferocious guerrilla war against United States forces in Sunni western Iraq, American commanders have revealed.

No sh!t Sherlock. We haven't stated that foreign fighters are the vast majority since the summer of 2003 IIRC. Where have you been, genius?

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Originally Posted by troung

Their conclusion, disclosed to the Sunday Telegraph in interviews over 10 days in battle-torn Anbar province, contradicts the White House message that outsiders are the principal enemy in Iraq.

The foreign fighters are the principal enemy because they bring funding and competence to the fight and cannot be splintered and won over and integrated into the evolving political structure of Iraq. They are dead men (martyrs) walking, and will accept nothing less than death, which we are happy to provide. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your a$$ and learned a little about Iraq, Salafist Islam, and strategy, you wouldn't be such a moron.

Also, 96% of suicide bombers in Iraq are foreign. Houston, I think we have a problem with foreign fighters.

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Originally Posted by troung

Of 1,300 suspected insurgents arrested over the past five months in and around Ramadi, none has been a foreigner. Col John Gronski, senior officer in the town, Anbar's provincial capital, said that almost all insurgent fighting there was by Iraqis. Foreigners provided only money and logistical support.
"The foreign fighters are staying north of the [Euphrates] river, training and advising, like the Soviets were doing in Vietnam," he said.
Although there are tensions between Iraqi insurgents and foreigners from the group al-Qaeda in Iraq, led by the Jordanian zealot Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, there are also alliances of convenience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...FIQMFSFFWAVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2005/12/04/wirq04.xml

Maybe that's because the local insurgents got tired of AQ's a$$ and ran them off in red-on-red incidents. Maybe if you read the paper instead of just writing fiction for it, you could actually ask that question. Of course, you were probably told that, and declined to include it in your piece.

Leader · 12-08-2005, 02:39 AM

Hasn't this been out there for a while now? The military was denying this? I don't think so.

dalem · 12-08-2005, 03:13 AM

What's f*cking next, Troung?

"Army admits bullets emerge from barrels of guns when triggers squeezed"?

"U.S. SecDef Admits Hammer Falls to Ground When Dropped"?

-dale

indianguy4u · 12-08-2005, 03:16 AM

I thinking some have very short memory here. It wasnt long back when US army were saying that resistance was primarily foreign.

dalem · 12-08-2005, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

I thinking some have very short memory here. It wasnt long back when US army were saying that resistance was primarily foreign.

As Shek points out, it depends how you parse the data.

On some levels the resistance are almost solely foreign fighters, on other levels, not so much.

-dale

**Shek** · 12-08-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

I thinking some have very short memory here. It wasnt long back when US army were saying that resistance was primarily foreign.

Yes it was - 2+ years ago

indianguy4u · 12-08-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by shek

Yes it was - 2+ years ago

Then it means iraqis are fed up with american forces. Time to leave before it gets too hot.

**Shek** · 12-08-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

Then it means iraqis are fed up with american forces. Time to leave before it gets too hot.

Wrong and right. The majority of Iraqis don't want a permanent American presence. However, an even greater majority don't want an immediate American withdrawal.

There are four main insugent groups out there who want American witdrawal - AQ, the Iraqi rejections who are Salafists, the Saddamists who want the return on the Ba'ath, and the Sadrists, who have one foot in politics and the other foot in the insurgency. These insurgents are less than 0.1% of the population, and their supporters may increase the number past the 1% range.

Many of our operations are now being conducted in areas where Saddam never even controlled, so we (ISF and coalition) are fighting against a tradition of resistance in these areas, as well.

Ray · 12-08-2005, 11:14 AM

Not only the Iraqis want the Americans to leave, but the American themselves too want to leave. After all, how long would someone like to live on foreign soil and that too in a place which is totally alien culturally and socially?

While to us the fact that whether the insurgency is Iraqi based or foreign Islamist based, it is not so much a big deal for the Moslem world and that too an Arab Moslem world. To them, it is the "ummah" in action!

Even the opening statement at the preliminary meeting of the OIC Summit that is being held at Mecca, the Saudi stated that this meet would be revolutionary since it would address the issues that is affecting the Islamic nation! Note the word "nation" and not "nations".

Therefore, the bottom line, as I see it, is that these terrorists, irrespective from where they belong require to be got hold of by the scruff of their neck and sent to Kingdom Come.

lemontree · 12-09-2005, 00:09 AM

The best part of troung's post is .....

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Although there are tensions between Iraqi insurgents and foreigners from the group al-Qaeda in Iraq, led by the Jordanian zealot Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, there are also alliances of convenience.

...a situation ripe for exploitation

12-08-2005, 01:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,267 Country:	US Army admits Iraqis outnumber foreign fighters as its main enemy US Army admits Iraqis outnumber foreign fighters as its main enemy By Toby Harnden in Ramadi (Filed: 04/12/2005) Iraqis, rather than foreign fighters, now form the vast majority of the insurgents who are waging a ferocious guerrilla war against United States forces in Sunni western Iraq, American commanders have revealed. Their conclusion, disclosed to the Sunday Telegraph in interviews over 10 days in battle-torn Anbar province, contradicts the White House message that outsiders are the principal enemy in Iraq. Of 1,300 suspected insurgents arrested over the past five months in and around Ramadi, none has been a foreigner. Col John Gronski, senior officer in the town, Anbar's provincial capital, said that almost all insurgent fighting there was by Iraqis. Foreigners provided only money and logistical support. "The foreign fighters are staying north of the [Euphrates] river, training and advising, like the Soviets were doing in Vietnam," he said. Although there are tensions between Iraqi insurgents and foreigners from the group al-Qaeda in Iraq, led by the Jordanian zealot Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, there are also alliances of convenience. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...FIQMFSFFWAVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2005/12/04/wirq04.xml

12-08-2005, 02:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
Leader Ubi dubium ibi libertas *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-04-03 Location: Boston, MA, USPRA Posts: 5,124	Hasn't this been out there for a while now? The military was denying this? I don't think so. __________________ "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have." "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" NEVER FORGET

12-08-2005, 03:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
indianguy4u Real Madrid CF *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 03-07-05 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3,213 Country:	I thinking some have very short memory here. It wasnt long back when US army were saying that resistance was primarily foreign. __________________ Hala Madrid!!

12-08-2005, 11:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,117 Country:	Not only the Iraqis want the Americans to leave, but the American themselves too want to leave. After all, how long would someone like to live on foreign soil and that too in a place which is totally alien culturally and socially? While to us the fact that whether the insurgency is Iraqi based or foreign Islamist based, it is not so much a big deal for the Moslem world and that too an Arab Moslem world. To them, it is the "ummah" in action! Even the opening statement at the preliminary meeting of the OIC Summit that is being held at Mecca, the Saudi stated that this meet would be revolutionary since it would address the issues that is affecting the Islamic nation! Note the word "nation" and not "nations". Therefore, the bottom line, as I see it, is that these terrorists, irrespective from where they belong require to be got hold of by the scruff of their neck and sent to Kingdom Come. __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,517 Country:	What's f*cking next, Troung? "Army admits bullets emerge from barrels of guns when triggers squeezed"? "U.S. SecDef Admits Hammer Falls to Ground When Dropped"? -dale

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