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WAB Bartender
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"The Mystery of the Insurgency"
I just read this from PowerLine, a conservative blog that I have found to be VERY insightful and mature.
I reproduce here a piece that covered - refuted, actually - a New York Times column. Quote:
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Lord High Hullabalooster
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I was thinking about this a few minutes ago, and comparing the Iraq ops by the Bad Guys now as opposed to the international ops by OBL previously. In my opinion, OBL clearly had/has a political goal - he wants to sit on the throne of Saudi Arabia. Now, in and of itself, that's a completely rational goal. And even though I deplore his methods of terror attacks on the West to weaken and isolate Saudi Arabia over time, I can continue to respect his end goal, politically. Since OBL went underground and Zarqawi took center stage though, not only has the focus changed from international to regional, but the goal - as we both agree from the article referenced above - has changed as well. I am willing to bet that the Bali and Madrid bombings were remnants of the OBL school - complex ops designed to get OBL on the throne in Mecca, or wherever. But it seems as if the efforts of multiple militaries, paramilitaries, and police agencies around the world have done a fairly decent job of closing off that avenue (although of course 20 hotels could blow up tomorrow disproving me). So if that's true, if the calm, collected, AK-carrying OBL has truly been driven to ground for now, we have the excitable, knife-wielding, head-sawing Zarqawi to deal with. I am reminded of that scene in "Dirty Harry" where Inspector Callahan is telling the mayor or the chief or some such character that no matter what they do, the Zodiac killer is going to keep killing people. They ask him "why" and Harry gets this somewhat pained look on his face and says "Because he likes it." I wonder if Zarqawi just "likes it" when people die. -dale |
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I agree, I think Zarqawi is "punching above his weight". From what i understand, the belief in the intelligence community is that his group is composed of 500 people at the most. Although i am sure he is recruiting. Hence i think there are probably claims of responsibility for atrocities that probably weren't actually carried out by his group.
In that fashion he almost certainly does like it when people die. And if they could die in as bloody, gruesome and shocking manner as possible, then it gets him more advertising than his own resources can provide. Its also possible the small size of the group precludes an overt poltical structure as the article would expect in an insurgency. I am not sure that there is a direct operational link between Zarqawi and AQ. Certainly there is evidence that Zarqawi's group asked for AQ support in fermenting a Sunni and Shia conflict in Iraq, but there is also evidence that this was rebuffed by AQ. T&J don't like anyone in Iraq and want to ensure that Iraq should not become a Greater Israel - hence T&J's hatred of the Kurds. That monotheistic Islam should root out the crusaders of polytheistic Christianity (the Trinity) hence the hatred of the US and so on. The other thing is that "Tawhid and Jihad" go for shock and terror, but there are an estimate 50000 in the Iraqi "resistence" that are lower profile but more traditionally insurgent. |
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No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry |
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WAB Bartender
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Not too swift, as it turns out, because AMZ is a FOREIGNER, and the local up-and-coming terrorists felt they just got 'jumped over'. But the bottom line is, they are working together. Also, you're low on the AMZ organization's estimated strength. As to that impacting their political movement, there isn't one to speak of. They have a propaganda arm, but there really isn't any kind of idealogical, political or 'power' structure AT ALL. Which tells us a great deal about their goals. They have no intention of RULING Iraq, and this whole thang has never been about that. They're killers, not governors. Period. As for the 'other' terrorists, one way to judge their success in the battle for the affections of the People is the size and frequency of work stoppages, demonstrations, even graffitti supporting themselves or against the government. There is a disctinct LACK of all of that. There is no depth to this 'movement'. We really CAN end this by killing the Bad Guys (as their numbers are finite and getting smaller everyday), but we have to get better at sealing the borders. Operations around Qaim last week are exactly for that purpose. Other insurgencies in history had staying power and were dificult to defeat because they offered something better to the People, after the Final Victory Over Imperialism (or whatever). There was a political program that sold 'em on the great future that would come in with the commisars, and the their misery would go out with the Imperialists' Puppets. That isn't going to sell here, because the People just bet everything on US, and have utterly rejected THEM. It has to do mainly with the WOMEN of Iraq, because their lives go to hell once again with the victory of Islamic Crazies, but may just get better with a modern orientation. And that drives how the WOMEN see the MEN in their lives: respected fighter for the progress of the country, or backward-ass lout that wants to re-enslave me for his own selfish purposes. This war has a whole lot to do with WOMEN, control thereof. Guess which side they want to win, and will push the men towards? |
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Perhaps i am out of date. I have certainly seen the loyalty stuff, but aside from posturing it doesn't necessarily mean coordinated attacks. The stuff i had seen said US intelligence hadn't found an operational link between Zarqawi and AQ. I am sure they would love to break bread together and curse the infidel, but i don't know that funds, planning and or facilites are actually being transferred.
If they are operationally linked then it is interesting that they are taking somewhat different styles. It looks to me like Zarqawi would rather take Bin Laden's "world wide" thrown and is using Iraq has his own platform. There is evidence that AQ rebuffed Zarqawi's request for help in brewing the civil war. But i guess since AQ is on the run and Zarqawi is getting all the publicity, perhaps they both need the free publicity. I have tried to find something regarding "Al qaeda in Iraq"'s numbers (under their various names) but can't find anything on the web. Other than a reference on the BBC site to 500 or so, but i know you don't like the Beeb. |
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Even under Sadam the women of Iraq had far more autonomy than in surrounding countries, driving, having a job, not having to wear a burka etc, it's EXTREMELY unlikely they'd want to place themselves under a strongly Islamic regime. Thanks Bluesman, you've cheered me up immensely
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