Some Stryker pics

**Shek** · 05-10-2005, 11:03 AM

Here's a few pics I thought were pretty cool. And yes, they are in Iraq and those are Strykers without a road in sight.

**TopHatter** · 05-10-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shek

Here's a few pics I thought were pretty cool. And yes, they are in Iraq and those are Strykers without a road in sight.

Well begosh and begorra, is the soldier in the top picture using an M21?

**Shek** · 05-10-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TopHatter

Well begosh and begorra, is the soldier in the top picture using an M21?

TopHatter,
Sorry, but I have to jam you once again

It's a M14. I'm not sure on the exact modifications to the M14 that makes it a M21, but I would imagine that it's a match grade barrel. I'm sure Snipe will chime in here.

**TopHatter** · 05-10-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shek

TopHatter,
Sorry, but I have to jam you once again

It's a M14. I'm not sure on the exact modifications to the M14 that makes it a M21, but I would imagine that it's a match grade barrel. I'm sure Snipe will chime in here.

Shyt! I forgot, no pistol grip...probably among things.

Snipe where are you!!!

**Shek** · 05-10-2005, 12:28 PM

Here's the spotting scope info:

Leupold® Mark 4® 12-40x60mmTactical Spotting Scope
http://www.leupold.com/products/tact...binoculars.htm

Wraith601 · 05-10-2005, 22:56 PM

The second picture is obviously fake since Strykers are merely "road-bound trucks".

Anon · 05-11-2005, 00:16 AM

"TopHatter,
Sorry, but I have to jam you once again It's a M14. I'm not sure on the exact modifications to the M14 that makes it a M21, but I would imagine that it's a match grade barrel. I'm sure Snipe will chime in here."

Sorry guys, i've spent the last three days with a bad infection from an abcess tooth. It totally sucked.

The difference between the M-14 and the M-21 is that the M-21 is constructed from select grade M-14 components, and largely hand-fitted to exacting specifications(the rifle equivelant to a balanced and blueprinted engine if you will), and it uses a match grade barrel. It is pretty much impossible to discern an M-14 and M-21 with the naked eye, although many early M-14s had wooden stocks, whereas to my knowledge the M-21 has always been manufactured with fiberglass furniture. If holding the two rifles one can tell the M-21 apart because of the fit and finish as opposed to a standard M-14. The M-21 action and furniture has significantly tigher tolerances, and hence very little play.
A little known feature of the M-21(at least of my era, this may have since been deleted) is that it actually retains the same full-auto capability of the M-14, if you have the select fire key. A feature that is obviously never used by an M-21 operator.

Regardless, both the M-14 and M-21 are tremendous weapons, as is the 'new' M-25. All three are far superior, and inherently more reliable than the M-16 series IMO...but then, i am a bit biased.

The M-24 is certainly more accurate to a greater range, but the M-21 offers a huge advanatadge in close quarters firepower, which can be an extremely useful capability if a 2 man team has to break close contact or hold a position under fire until support fires can be directed onto the enemy. Snipers obviously go to extreme lengths to avoid close contact, but unfortunately there's this guy named Murphy with this stupid law that says 'whatever can go wrong will go wrong'...

PS: The M-21 does not feature a pistol grip stock.

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-11-2005, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Snipers obviously go to extreme lengths to avoid close contact, but unfortunately there's this guy named Murphy with this stupid law that says 'whatever can go wrong will go wrong'...

The two addenums are

"usually all at once"
"at the worst possible time."

A couple of questions, Bill, 1st, anything like Murphy happen to you on exercise?

And what is the washout rate at Sniper school? Rangers and SEALs have a high one, just wondering how Sniper school compares?

Anon · 05-11-2005, 03:41 AM

I'm not sure what the current washout rate is, but in my day it was about 25-30%. The troops sent to USASS were all hand picked and proven soldiers, so it's not surprising that the graduation rate was pretty high.

And yeah, i've certainly found myself in positions i'd have certainly never willingly entered into in field problems. Watching a Plt of M-1 tanks drive right through our fwd position was never pleasant(fortunately they're very easy to hide from, but overrun is still no position to be in, lol).
I also found myself in a literally near-muzzle contact range surprise encounter with an OH-58D Kiowa Warrior once as well. I imagine you can guess how that one ended without further explanation.

Apparently he'd spotted us on his FLIR from some range, and he manuevered his chopper into a valley that ran paralell to the ridge line we were positioned on. When he was directly below our position he executed a climbing hover. We heard him really close, but until he crested the ridge we were unable to see him. He crested about 50 meters forward of our position at 330, Ma duece blazing, and that was that.

It was a very cool moment though......i so wish i'd have had a camera right at that moment. Something that you'll never do in the civilian world...have it out with a helicopter gunship.

We also had our moments as well though. My spotter and i hit the BLUFORs FOB pretty hard during the next field problem as revenge. Which was completely pure luck...but we noticed a bunch of helos landing and taking off behind a hill not 3 klicks from our FP, so we spent the next 6 hours stalking into an overlook position, and then coordinated through the Bn FO for an 8 digit grid(which was a 'precision strike' back before GPS) 155mm Bn level TOT barrage(18 guns, 3rds each, HE-Q- obviously simulated, lol) before engaging with our rifles.

Yup, got us an ARCOM for that one.

Both of those field problems occured at Fort Sill, 1989 IIRC.

**TopHatter** · 05-11-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

PS: The M-21 does not feature a pistol grip stock.

Man, I am just sucking ass today....

I was thinking of the M14A1

Hey Snipe, you've seen this picture before I think. Rather....amusing

Anon · 05-11-2005, 10:30 AM

Yeah, the poster child for female troops.

My, what excellent form she has....

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-11-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Yeah, the poster child for female troops.

My, what excellent form she has....

She reminds me of a recruit my RSM once observed. She was at the grenade range. She pulled the pin and the pressure of the spoon slowly forced her hand open. I think my RSM broke her hand squeezing the spoon down.

I cannot remember whether he expedite her out of the CF but she was out of the combat arms.

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-11-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

I'm not sure what the current washout rate is, but in my day it was about 25-30%. The troops sent to USASS were all hand picked and proven soldiers, so it's not surprising that the graduation rate was pretty high.

And yeah, i've certainly found myself in positions i'd have certainly never willingly entered into in field problems. Watching a Plt of M-1 tanks drive right through our fwd position was never pleasant(fortunately they're very easy to hide from, but overrun is still no position to be in, lol).

You're not the only one. I was asleep at the time when tanks rolled through my CP. Needless to say, I had some chewing out to do with the sentry.

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

He crested about 50 meters forward of our position at 330, Ma duece blazing, and that was that.

It was a very cool moment though......i so wish i'd have had a camera right at that moment. Something that you'll never do in the civilian world...have it out with a helicopter gunship.

I'd be thinking wanting clean underwear rather than a camera.

**TopHatter** · 05-11-2005, 13:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

You're not the only one. I was asleep at the time when tanks rolled through my CP. Needless to say, I had some chewing out to do with the sentry.

Does make it a little difficult to get that sack time doesn't it Sir?

How much was left of your sentry when you were done with him?

troung · 05-11-2005, 14:59 PM

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The M-21 does not feature a pistol grip stock.

USN SEAL M-14s did. They used the BM-59 pistol grip and folding stock on their M-14s.

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The M-24 is certainly more accurate to a greater range, but the M-21 offers a huge advanatadge in close quarters firepower, which can be an extremely useful capability if a 2 man team has to break close contact or hold a position under fire until support fires can be directed onto the enemy.

The Philippines uses M-14s with and without scopes these days for DM firepower. I think they will be replaced in the Philippine Marines with the M-24 and MSSR (M-16 based DM system). Well the M-14 does provide nice range and killing power compared to the M-16A1 to take on Moro guerillas with M-1 Garands.

Have to out do Shek

3 Strykers
Scout Ranger medic with M-14
Philippine Marine with M-14

05-11-2005, 00:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"TopHatter, Sorry, but I have to jam you once again It's a M14. I'm not sure on the exact modifications to the M14 that makes it a M21, but I would imagine that it's a match grade barrel. I'm sure Snipe will chime in here." Sorry guys, i've spent the last three days with a bad infection from an abcess tooth. It totally sucked. The difference between the M-14 and the M-21 is that the M-21 is constructed from select grade M-14 components, and largely hand-fitted to exacting specifications(the rifle equivelant to a balanced and blueprinted engine if you will), and it uses a match grade barrel. It is pretty much impossible to discern an M-14 and M-21 with the naked eye, although many early M-14s had wooden stocks, whereas to my knowledge the M-21 has always been manufactured with fiberglass furniture. If holding the two rifles one can tell the M-21 apart because of the fit and finish as opposed to a standard M-14. The M-21 action and furniture has significantly tigher tolerances, and hence very little play. A little known feature of the M-21(at least of my era, this may have since been deleted) is that it actually retains the same full-auto capability of the M-14, if you have the select fire key. A feature that is obviously never used by an M-21 operator. Regardless, both the M-14 and M-21 are tremendous weapons, as is the 'new' M-25. All three are far superior, and inherently more reliable than the M-16 series IMO...but then, i am a bit biased. The M-24 is certainly more accurate to a greater range, but the M-21 offers a huge advanatadge in close quarters firepower, which can be an extremely useful capability if a 2 man team has to break close contact or hold a position under fire until support fires can be directed onto the enemy. Snipers obviously go to extreme lengths to avoid close contact, but unfortunately there's this guy named Murphy with this stupid law that says 'whatever can go wrong will go wrong'... PS: The M-21 does not feature a pistol grip stock. Last edited by Anon : 05-11-2005 at 00:25 AM.

05-11-2005, 03:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	I'm not sure what the current washout rate is, but in my day it was about 25-30%. The troops sent to USASS were all hand picked and proven soldiers, so it's not surprising that the graduation rate was pretty high. And yeah, i've certainly found myself in positions i'd have certainly never willingly entered into in field problems. Watching a Plt of M-1 tanks drive right through our fwd position was never pleasant(fortunately they're very easy to hide from, but overrun is still no position to be in, lol). I also found myself in a literally near-muzzle contact range surprise encounter with an OH-58D Kiowa Warrior once as well. I imagine you can guess how that one ended without further explanation. Apparently he'd spotted us on his FLIR from some range, and he manuevered his chopper into a valley that ran paralell to the ridge line we were positioned on. When he was directly below our position he executed a climbing hover. We heard him really close, but until he crested the ridge we were unable to see him. He crested about 50 meters forward of our position at 330, Ma duece blazing, and that was that. It was a very cool moment though......i so wish i'd have had a camera right at that moment. Something that you'll never do in the civilian world...have it out with a helicopter gunship. We also had our moments as well though. My spotter and i hit the BLUFORs FOB pretty hard during the next field problem as revenge. Which was completely pure luck...but we noticed a bunch of helos landing and taking off behind a hill not 3 klicks from our FP, so we spent the next 6 hours stalking into an overlook position, and then coordinated through the Bn FO for an 8 digit grid(which was a 'precision strike' back before GPS) 155mm Bn level TOT barrage(18 guns, 3rds each, HE-Q- obviously simulated, lol) before engaging with our rifles. Yup, got us an ARCOM for that one. Both of those field problems occured at Fort Sill, 1989 IIRC. Last edited by Anon : 05-11-2005 at 03:46 AM.

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