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Old 05-08-2008, 14:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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"...and i heard that Turkish officials will be placed at NI soon?...this is a step forward right?"

You're ahead of me there. Love to see a link if you can find one. I didn't know that. Long overdue and a HUGE step forward in the right direction. Turkey needs to be VERY CAREFUL here but there's a grand opportunity to reverse perceptions if both sides can engage constructively.

It would be foolish if it isn't treated as a four-cornered room. Iraqi and American mediation can help smooth perceptions and ease transitory problems but eliminating the PKK begins with Turkish and Kurdish officials and, ultimately, military commanders talking and then working on the ground.

The PKK benefits none of the regional players, to include Turkish Kurds, and it's to everybody's benefit that they pass into the pages of history as soon as possible.

i've looked all around but couldnt find any link about it....but i am sure that i heard it in the news...

there was a lot of reactions to this decision...
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Old 05-08-2008, 16:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Were Iraq to formally partition, support by an independant Kurdistan for liberation movements in adjacent countries would likely provoke open war. Would Iran, Syria, and Turkey win? Nobody seems to have thoroughly suppress Kurdish aspirations yet so that's very much an open question. What can be assured, though, is that an independant Kurdistan would cease to exist.


I'm looking for solutions and they won't come from more of the same.
nothing could happen spontaneously! certainly, they have a supporter but I dunno who!

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This certainly implies your political views. It specifically speaks to the fears of those who believe that an autonomous Kurdistan shall inspire the same elsewhere
is patriotism what you say nationalism? though, the thread is way different than what my political views are!then, please do not made my political views material for this thread unconsciously.

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The risk is too great for the tangential gains of Kurdish homelands in adjacent nations. Greater Kurdistan shall never exist. Thoughtful Kurds know this. Endangering their present gains for this unattainable ambition is not rational and there's been no indication- NOT A PEEP- that the KRG formally supports Kurdish nationalist movements in adjacent countries.
anyway, they should not support terrorists.
but it is not something they did not!
Massoud Barzani Conducting Dangerous Games in Northern Iraq
Iraqi Kurds Back PKK Despite Being Displaced by Recent Fighting | War on Iraq | AlterNet

see what Ali Babacan said! but he is not a nationalist.
Press TV - 'Iraqi Kurds should end backing PKK'

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Sorry if you're offended but I've heard these expressed views of yours many, many times already from others and it only continues to prop up more of the same dangerous sentiments that have created this mess in the first place.
I have a first hand experince about the situation. while most of you were unaware of what was going on, I was the victim of the terror by those terrorist. now what I wonder is, do you consider those whoever did not experince 9/11 directly and were talking understandably harsh about the terrorists, are all nationalist?
talking is really easy. a wel-fed person cannot imagine the distress of a hungry person.


anyway,as I said,please leave this debate aboutmy political views and keep talking about the thread title.
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Old 05-08-2008, 17:39 PM   #18 (permalink)
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"anyway,as I said,please leave this debate aboutmy political views and keep talking about the thread title."

I know of one turkish patriot with extensive combat experience in this region who's views might not mirror others. Most at WAB know all-too-well the Turkish sense of pride and achievement. We've come to understand the depth of Turkish pain at the Kurdish rebellion within Turkey and the associated acts of terror. We KNOW that both the PUK and KDP carry their own legacy of terror. We also know that they've safely resided behind the borders of Iraq since 1991 and stayed there. Not so with the PKK.

For myself, I've come to understand that the KRG offers an opportunity to reverse an endemic condition offering little hope of resolution to either side. It requires much of the Turkish government to meet with men who once were their sworn enemy. The facts, though, say that the Iraqi Kurds have carved out something which is precious and that the never wish to lose.

This affords Turkey great leverage when seeking cooperation and accomodation on the part of both the KRG and the Iraqi government. There's a deal to be made here contingent upon the dismantling of the PKK, by force, if necessary. By the Peshmerga if necessary.

It will come and sooner than you think if fostered correctly. Turkey and Iraq could snuff this aspiration with the emergence of a healthy and vibrant KRG. Instead of inspiring more like-minded desires among other Kurds, it will attract them and serve as a final redoubt should they be persecuted or unwilling to live by the prevailing laws of their host nations.

That's the objective. The happy by-product of this is the increased cross-border trade that should occur in the absence of an on-going insurgency in both nations. It's already the case despite the war and can only grow.

Kurdistan understands it's vulnerabilities more so than most. They've been masterful at attaining their dream on a weak hand of cards. And, to date, largely mature in the associated responsibility.
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S-2,

when i sad about the Turkish Officials for NI. i didnt meant that Turks will meet with PKK.

i think that Turkey begins to recognise northern part of Iraq...
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I assumed that you meant officials of the KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government) and certainly not PKK.
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I assumed that you meant officials of the KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government) and certainly not PKK.
i am still looking for a link but i am pretty sure what i have heard....
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