S-2

It's beautifully titled.

Sorta reminds me of fly-paper.

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ameer

Just posting what I read...

Linda Hansen: 100 (or more) Reasons Dems Have to Kiss and Make Up - Off The Bus on The Huffington Post

Oscar

And maybe too that 80% of the said historians were democrats

partisanship?

Kansas Bear

I was thinking the same thing. Why not ask them the impact of Clinton's actions/inactions has had on the US?

Triple C

Being a liberal and who is planning to be a historian, I am not a big fan for GWB either.

Problem is, calling him the wrost president ever doesn't ring true to me. Hoover or Nickson, maybe...

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astralis

who's nickson?

GWB to be fair had some pretty good ideas. his execution of said ideas, however, has been horrible.

EDIT: ahhh, wait, i see you mean tricky dick.

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LongshotSNN

If Nixon gets "Tricky Dick",

Does Clinton get "Slick Willy"?

edit: wait a minute, that sounds......

Dreadnought

If we notice a certain trend about our U.S. Presidents they judged the descent ones to be bad and war mongers. And yet they treated the ones that completely sucked as some of the best to date.

Doing the "unpopular" thing or going to war or having to posturize or threaten will certainly land you on the worst list even if it is a necessary thing to do.

Doing the "popular" thing usually requires turning your back on the problem and hope it goes away no matter how much the media and people put it in your face.

Sound familiar to any of you guys?

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JAD_333

First, thanks for providing a source.

Your original statement now has context.

Now we know the poll you mentioned was in an article written by a liberal critic of Bush. But that shouldn't matter. A poll is a poll. Right? Well, not exactly.

If 6 out of 10 Americans think Bush is the worst president ever, every random poll of ordinary Americans will tell you that. If you want to give the poll a little pizzaz, you sort all the respondents by profession, sex or what have you. You'll get the same poll results, but now you can blast away saying, "60PCT OF HISTORIANS SAY...." It's an old trick...

I am not saying the poll you cited was concocted that way, but given that self-respecting historians are loath to make conclusions they'll be saddled with all their professional career, I am suspicious.

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Shek

The poll results cannot be extrapolated to represent the population of historians. It was a non-random survey that reeks of selection bias (it was posted on the History News Network, HNN, and asked for respondents).

The other obvious bias is that how can judge a presidency until it is complete (or even until you've had a chance to see the lagged effects of the presidency)?

Lastly, if you go to the poll results themselves, some of the comments of actual respondents lack rigor and instead are tainted by an almost ideological-reflex response as opposed to a historical analysis. Some of the comments demonstrate careful reflection and comparative analysis, but because of the nature of some of the responses as well as the timing, to label this poll as authoritative though historical analysis versus simply the opinions of members of a particular community is just incorrect.

HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

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JAD_333

You're doggin me.

Shek

How?

JAD_333

repeating what I posted in better words right behind me...

Shek

The power of hindsight in historical analysis . . .

While not fully analogous, what would historians say about Reagan in early- to mid-1987? How does that compare to judgements about Reagan today?

ba1025

Yeah, I have really questioned the crackdown on Sadr. He is not beholden to us but unlike those running the govt he is also not beholden to IRAN. We are backing the Iranian dominated govt that favors partition over the nationalist who favors keeping Iraq a nation state. We think we have influence with maliki...we dont he didnt tell us about the offensive. They( the Iraqi govt) are trying to break Sadr so he can't compete in the fall elections...How undemocratic. No one is calling for the badr brigade to disband are they? Is it too late to back the nationalist over the Iranian stooges? even if Sadr isn't pro American at least when we leave Iraq wont be the
19th" province of Iran if he is in power. Plus, He will never allow a haven for Sunni Al Queda. A partioned iraq might end up providing a haven in the Sunni areas. Remember this was about the war on terror. In the scheme of things we might hate Sadr's reactionary politics but he wont be anyone's puppet.


I got a kick out of the post that said the worst Prsidents were really the best. Bush doubled the national deby while in Office it was 4 trillion now it's over 8. it took 211 years to get to 4 trillion....FISCAL POLICY FAIL

We suffered the worst attack by a foreign force on U.S soil since the war of 1812 under Bush......SECURITY FAIL( I give Clinton a fail for the WTC attacks in his first year as well so don't whine it's Clinton's fault you didnt think Bush was accountable for the 93 attacks)

Remember the highly political orange alerts.....talk about 1984

The most divisive corrupt govt since Grant..yeah contractors bribing congressmen and massive no bid contracts, paying blackwater 10 times what it would cost the military to do jobs like guard state dept personnel. are worse than lieing about cheating on your wife under oath...barely.

Now the prosecution office investigating corruption on the West coast is closed after getting a conviction on a Congressman and while investigating another???? Newp no corruption here uh huh. Anyone see the irony in the bush admin fighting to hand over those two contractors to the iraqis to "investigate" after holding them 2 years after they whisked blackwater personnel out of the country, then granted them immunity to avoid murder charges

No, Bush couldn't do worse he is at the bottom of the well already he couldnt go lower. We will pay for the last 8 yrs for the next 30