1300 Iraqi Policemen dead in 4 months

troung · 01-10-2005, 02:21 AM

Well it's mentioned in the story.... and I'm mentioning this becuase few take note on the heavy losses they suffer in the fighting...

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18 Iraqis Found Dead in Field Near Mosul

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D87EJOJG0.html

Jan 6, 8:25 AM (ET)

By BASSEM MROUE

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The bodies of 18 young Iraqi Shiites taken off a bus and executed last month while seeking work at a U.S. base have been found in a field near the volatile city of Mosul, police said Thursday.

Police said the insurgents shot the men, who ranged in age from 14 to 20, on Dec. 8 after stopping their two mini-buses about 30 miles west of Mosul.

Their hands were tied behind their back and each was shot in the head, police said. All of the men were Shiite Muslims from Baghdad's northern neighborhood of Kadhimiya who had been hired by an Iraqi contractor to work at a U.S. base in Mosul.

The bodies were discovered Wednesday, the same day a suicide attacker blew up an explosives-laden car outside a police academy south of Baghdad in Hillah during a graduation ceremony, killing 20 people.

A second car bomber killed five Iraqi policemen in Baqouba - bringing the death toll to at least 90 so far this week in surging violence aimed at derailing this month's elections.

In a separate execution-style incident, the bodies of three Jordanian truck drivers shot in the head were discovered on the outskirts of Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, an AP photographer at the scene said Thursday. "This is the fate of anyone who cooperates with the Americans," said a note placed on one of the bodies.

A Marine belonging to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force was killed in action Thursday while conducting operations in the Al Anbar province in western Iraq, the military said in a statement that did not give further details.

Despite the mounting attacks and death toll, Iraq's interim leader again insisted the ballot would go ahead as planned.

"We will not allow the terrorists to stop the political process in Iraq," Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said "The elections process is the basis for the deepening of the national unity in Iraq."

While Allawi and U.S. military commanders insisted parliamentary elections must be held as scheduled on Jan. 30, interim President Ghazi al-Yawer, who holds only ceremonial powers, left open the possibility that the vote could be postponed.

"I think that we should continue working on how to hold the elections on schedule, but we should not lack the courage if we see that this is impossible," said al-Yawer, a Sunni Muslim tribal leader.

If the election takes place, it is expected to shift power to the Shiite Muslim community, an estimated 60 percent of the population that has been dominated by the Sunni Arab minority since modern Iraq was created after World War I.

The insurgency is believed to be led by Sunnis and Saddam Hussein's supporters. U.S. officials believe the violence is aimed at blocking the elections and driving out the U.S.-led military coalition. They say postponing the vote would be tantamount to conceding victory to the militants.

The car bomb outside the police academy in Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad, was the latest in a series of attacks on Iraqi security forces. More than 1,300 policemen were killed in the final four months of 2004, the Interior Ministry said Wednesday.

Police Capt. Hady Hatef in Hillah said the blast occurred during a graduation ceremony at the academy and killed at least 20 people, including civilians. Polish Lt. Col. Artur Domanski, a spokesman for the multinational force in Hillah, said at least 10 policemen were among the dead and 41 people were wounded.

In Baqouba, 30 miles northeast of Baghdad, a suicide attacker rammed his car into a joint police and Iraqi National Guard checkpoint, killing five policemen and wounding eight other Iraqis, a U.S. spokesman, Maj. Neal O'Brien, said.

In a separate attack, gunmen killed police Col. Khalifa Hassan and his driver as they headed to work in Baqouba, said Dr. Ahmed Fouad at Baqouba General Hospital.

Between 20,000 and 30,000 insurgents are operating throughout Iraq and are directed by former officials of Saddam's regime based in Syria, Iraq's intelligence chief said in an interview published Wednesday by a London-based Arab newspaper.

"We officially call them terrorists," Maj. Gen. Mohammed Abdullah al-Shahwani told Asharq Al-Awsat. "They are between 20,000 and 30,000 armed men operating all over Iraq, mainly in the Sunni areas where they receive moral support from about 200,000 people."

Al-Shahwani predicted attacks would fade out within a year.

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1,300 is a lot of people to die in 4 months in a "lower impact" COIN war...

That's around how many we have taken since day one...

Anon · 01-10-2005, 02:23 AM

When you're poorly trained and poorly motivated you're gonna take a lot of KIAs.

Just the way it is.

troung · 01-10-2005, 02:26 AM

True.... they seem to be seen as simply throw aways....

I do wonder what thier total losses have been since they were formed by us... I would imagine several times our totals...

Anon · 01-10-2005, 05:44 AM

I would imagine among those Iraqis that actually want to do the job, and take it seriously, not very high.

Among those Iraqis simply seeking a paycheck, and a badge and gun to bully the locals, very high indeed.

lemontree · 01-10-2005, 06:16 AM

The Iraqi police are being especially targetted to prevent any return to peace and order.

**Lunatock** · 01-10-2005, 13:12 PM

More news about Iraqi's working for PM Allawi being killed. Yet again, not even a peep about insurgents KIA

troung · 01-10-2005, 15:26 PM

"More news about Iraqi's working for PM Allawi being killed. Yet again, not even a peep about insurgents KIA"

Becuase body counts are not very reliable and of course this was barely a story in the first place. The 1300 dead are a foot note which is kinda shocking.

"I would imagine among those Iraqis that actually want to do the job, and take it seriously, not very high."

True they do have a few good units but those guys would see more combat and thus run a big risk of death as well.

"Among those Iraqis simply seeking a paycheck, and a badge and gun to bully the locals, very high indeed."

No doubt.

But I would imgane morale amoung all of them will drop more as they start to lose more and more people...

Anon · 01-10-2005, 15:54 PM

"But I would imgane morale amoung all of them will drop more as they start to lose more and more people..."

Or it could have the opposite effect. It could galvanize them.

troung · 01-10-2005, 16:37 PM

Well they could not get a "backbone" until we leave similar to the DRA who came into thier own after the Soviets left Afghanistan and before were throwaway troops with poor morale and little reason to fight. After the Soviets left they were able to give a hell of a fight and keep things rather stable until internal problems and two massive defections (Tanai and Dostum) defeated them.

But looking at thier death toll it seems they are taking on a big and unreported part of the war (like most proxy allies do)...

01-10-2005, 02:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,390 Country:	1300 Iraqi Policemen dead in 4 months Well it's mentioned in the story.... and I'm mentioning this becuase few take note on the heavy losses they suffer in the fighting... ---- 18 Iraqis Found Dead in Field Near Mosul http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D87EJOJG0.html Jan 6, 8:25 AM (ET) By BASSEM MROUE BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The bodies of 18 young Iraqi Shiites taken off a bus and executed last month while seeking work at a U.S. base have been found in a field near the volatile city of Mosul, police said Thursday. Police said the insurgents shot the men, who ranged in age from 14 to 20, on Dec. 8 after stopping their two mini-buses about 30 miles west of Mosul. Their hands were tied behind their back and each was shot in the head, police said. All of the men were Shiite Muslims from Baghdad's northern neighborhood of Kadhimiya who had been hired by an Iraqi contractor to work at a U.S. base in Mosul. The bodies were discovered Wednesday, the same day a suicide attacker blew up an explosives-laden car outside a police academy south of Baghdad in Hillah during a graduation ceremony, killing 20 people. A second car bomber killed five Iraqi policemen in Baqouba - bringing the death toll to at least 90 so far this week in surging violence aimed at derailing this month's elections. In a separate execution-style incident, the bodies of three Jordanian truck drivers shot in the head were discovered on the outskirts of Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, an AP photographer at the scene said Thursday. "This is the fate of anyone who cooperates with the Americans," said a note placed on one of the bodies. A Marine belonging to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force was killed in action Thursday while conducting operations in the Al Anbar province in western Iraq, the military said in a statement that did not give further details. Despite the mounting attacks and death toll, Iraq's interim leader again insisted the ballot would go ahead as planned. "We will not allow the terrorists to stop the political process in Iraq," Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said "The elections process is the basis for the deepening of the national unity in Iraq." While Allawi and U.S. military commanders insisted parliamentary elections must be held as scheduled on Jan. 30, interim President Ghazi al-Yawer, who holds only ceremonial powers, left open the possibility that the vote could be postponed. "I think that we should continue working on how to hold the elections on schedule, but we should not lack the courage if we see that this is impossible," said al-Yawer, a Sunni Muslim tribal leader. If the election takes place, it is expected to shift power to the Shiite Muslim community, an estimated 60 percent of the population that has been dominated by the Sunni Arab minority since modern Iraq was created after World War I. The insurgency is believed to be led by Sunnis and Saddam Hussein's supporters. U.S. officials believe the violence is aimed at blocking the elections and driving out the U.S.-led military coalition. They say postponing the vote would be tantamount to conceding victory to the militants. The car bomb outside the police academy in Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad, was the latest in a series of attacks on Iraqi security forces. More than 1,300 policemen were killed in the final four months of 2004, the Interior Ministry said Wednesday. Police Capt. Hady Hatef in Hillah said the blast occurred during a graduation ceremony at the academy and killed at least 20 people, including civilians. Polish Lt. Col. Artur Domanski, a spokesman for the multinational force in Hillah, said at least 10 policemen were among the dead and 41 people were wounded. In Baqouba, 30 miles northeast of Baghdad, a suicide attacker rammed his car into a joint police and Iraqi National Guard checkpoint, killing five policemen and wounding eight other Iraqis, a U.S. spokesman, Maj. Neal O'Brien, said. In a separate attack, gunmen killed police Col. Khalifa Hassan and his driver as they headed to work in Baqouba, said Dr. Ahmed Fouad at Baqouba General Hospital. Between 20,000 and 30,000 insurgents are operating throughout Iraq and are directed by former officials of Saddam's regime based in Syria, Iraq's intelligence chief said in an interview published Wednesday by a London-based Arab newspaper. "We officially call them terrorists," Maj. Gen. Mohammed Abdullah al-Shahwani told Asharq Al-Awsat. "They are between 20,000 and 30,000 armed men operating all over Iraq, mainly in the Sunni areas where they receive moral support from about 200,000 people." Al-Shahwani predicted attacks would fade out within a year. ----- 1,300 is a lot of people to die in 4 months in a "lower impact" COIN war... That's around how many we have taken since day one...

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lemontree Bandaid *Military Professional* Join Date: 10-04-04 Location: India Posts: 5,928	The Iraqi police are being especially targetted to prevent any return to peace and order. __________________ Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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01-10-2005, 02:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	When you're poorly trained and poorly motivated you're gonna take a lot of KIAs. Just the way it is.

01-10-2005, 02:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,390 Country:	True.... they seem to be seen as simply throw aways.... I do wonder what thier total losses have been since they were formed by us... I would imagine several times our totals...

01-10-2005, 05:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	I would imagine among those Iraqis that actually want to do the job, and take it seriously, not very high. Among those Iraqis simply seeking a paycheck, and a badge and gun to bully the locals, very high indeed.

01-10-2005, 13:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lunatock Staff Emeritus Join Date: 08-03-03 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,505 Country:	More news about Iraqi's working for PM Allawi being killed. Yet again, not even a peep about insurgents KIA

01-10-2005, 15:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"But I would imgane morale amoung all of them will drop more as they start to lose more and more people..." Or it could have the opposite effect. It could galvanize them.

01-10-2005, 16:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,390 Country:	Well they could not get a "backbone" until we leave similar to the DRA who came into thier own after the Soviets left Afghanistan and before were throwaway troops with poor morale and little reason to fight. After the Soviets left they were able to give a hell of a fight and keep things rather stable until internal problems and two massive defections (Tanai and Dostum) defeated them. But looking at thier death toll it seems they are taking on a big and unreported part of the war (like most proxy allies do)...

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