Thiseas

If i understood well and you mean that what turkey is doing now with the kurds is .."housekeeping and tidiness",then i supose what Hitler did with the Chechs and the Polands back in 1939 was housekeeping to.
And if Europeans start killing and bomping whomever they dont like, in order to keep Europe clean of allien blood? By the way , Kurds are beeing bombed into their own country, they where there before turks, just like every one , of the 52 minoritys in turkey.turks have no right to do what they're doing.They're just commiting another crime against humanity, another genocide.
It's a shame that the country of Abraham Lincoln is supporting them, not that this is the first time, (rememper Cyprus).

Parihaka

Done.

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Parihaka

No, he suggested that since a thread covering this topic had already been started, that the two threads be merged into one.

S-2

Making new friends and influencing people, I see. Why don't you read some threads while acquainting yourself with our positions?

You're gonna be a fun one, I can see that now.

Thanks, Parihaka, for assisting my genocidal bent.

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Big K

First of all saying "Turkey bombs Kurds" is stating all Kurds as PKK members which is a huge mistake.

because PKK is a recognised terrorist organisation by US and EU.

you can not socialize terrrorist acts done by PKK to all Kurdish and Turkish people.

they are killing us both...

in this whole thread theres no word "terrorists" used except mine...

"a rebel" does not mean "terrorist" they are terrorists recognised by US and EU too...

Turkey have right to bomb well known PKK camps and defend its citizens. These "babykillers" will find what they already deserved. This time actions against terrorism are not just in militarys way, supported by some good social and economical reformings for shrivers and surrenderers...

these are our people, our brothers...

BTW,

did anyone pay attention to so-called fictional Kurdistan map??

Northern borders are on the very same line with Baku-CEyhan Oil Pipeline...oh my goodness...what a coincidence!!!!....of course they made this map with all true feelings....

dont be so naive dudes...


oh really? if we were doing genocides then how are your Turkish parents?...

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Ucar

Rash and careless reading causes bad influence with people. Better reading is the better part of being a respected board writer.

To set the record straight, "Kurds" are not being bombed whereever they live in their own country. Turkish Armed Forces have used LGBs to attack known PKK positions and camps triangulated with Electronic Intercepts, and real time intelligence. PKK camps are already known and recognized by all forces in the region, and Turkey has repeatedly announced that it would take all necesary measures to bring the PKK existence in N.Iraq to an end.

By the way, you have been repeatedly commenting on those 52 minorities residing in Turkey. Would you please provide a demographical statistic about them ?

What Turkey is doing against PKK is no different than what Coalition forces are doing against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, or Israel is doing against Hezbollah. Turkey is exercizing its legitimate rights to disrupt the infrastructure of a terrorist organization that has taken thousands of Turkish lives. Do you also claim that those forces fighting against terrorist in Afghanistan are also committing crimes against humanity, another genocide ? I believe you are only trying to fan the flames here Sir.

PKK is a globally recognized organization, and its ties with Greece have already been established. PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan was harbored in the Greek embassy in Kenya before his capture. I believe, Greek people should stop to evaluate what they are doing AGAINST global terorism, before starting to critize Turkey or any other country's actions against terrorism.

Kansas Bear

Turkish Army Sends Soldiers Into Iraq

KIRKUK, Iraq (AP) - The Turkish army sent soldiers about 1.5 miles into northern Iraq in an overnight operation on Tuesday, Kurdish officials said. A Turkish official said the troops seeking Kurdish rebels were still in Iraq by midmorning.

Meanwhile, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made an unannounced visit to Kirkuk, the hub of Iraq's northern oil fields.

The troops crossed into an area near the border with Iran, about 75 miles north of the city of Irbil, said Jabar Yawar, a spokesman for Kurdistan's Peshmerga security forces.

About 300 Turkish troops crossed the border at 3 a.m., said Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the regional Kurdistan government. He said the region was a deserted mountainous frontier area.

The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad declined to comment on reports of the Turkish operation.

The Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK, has battled for autonomy for southeastern Turkey for more than two decades and uses strongholds in northern Iraq for cross-border strikes.

It was not clear how long the Turkish soldiers who entered Iraq on Tuesday would stay, but a Turkish government official said they were sent as "reinforcements" to existing Turkish troops stationed further inside Iraq.

"They are going there as reinforcements, they are not returning," the official said on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak to the media.

About 1,200 Turkish military monitors have operated in northern Iraq since 1996 with permission from local authorities. A tank battalion has been stationed at a former airport at the border town of Bamerni and a few other military outposts were scattered in the region. Ankara rotates the troops there.

Asked about a reported clash between the Turkish troops and Kurdish rebels inside Iraq, Turkey's President Abdullah Gul said: "From now on, whatever is necessary in the struggle against terrorism, it is being done."

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the incursion "is not acceptable and will lead to complicated problems."

"Iraq understands the threat the PKK represents, one that endangers Turkish security," al-Dabbagh said. "But Iraq rejects any Turkish interference in Iraq."

Al-Dabbagh said the Iraqi government was given no warning about the incursion.

Abdullah, the spokesman for the regional Kurdish government, also criticized the operation and cautioned that Turkish forces should "be careful not to harm civilians" who might be living in the area.

"If the Turkish military conducts limited operations against the rebels, this is a problem of their concern," he said. "But if this ... leads to harm for civilians, we will absolutely be against that and reject that."

On Sunday, Turkey conducted airstrikes against rebels from the Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK, in northern Iraq. As many as 50 fighter jets were involved in the attack, the biggest against the PKK in years.

An Iraqi official said the planes attacked several villages, killing one woman. The rebels said two civilians and five rebels died.

The Iraqi parliament on Monday condemned the bombing, calling it an "outrageous" violation of Iraq's sovereignty. Turkey said Sunday's attack used U.S. intelligence and was carried out with tacit American approval.

Washington is trying to balance support for two key allies: the Turkish government and the Iraqi Kurds. Despite their apparent support for a limited raid, the U.S. remains firmly opposed to any major Turkish military operation into northern Iraq - which could disrupt one of the calmest areas of Iraq and run the risk of destabilizing the entire region.


Meanwhile, Rice was meeting members of a civilian-military reconstruction unit based in Kirkuk and provincial politicians. She was to meet Iraq's central leadership later in Baghdad.

Sunni Arabs ended a yearlong political boycott earlier this month in Kirkuk - the hub of Iraq's northern oil fields - under a deal that sets aside government posts for Arabs. It was the biggest step yet toward unity before a referendum on the area's future.

Kirkuk is an especially coveted city for both the Shiite-dominated Iraqi government in Baghdad and the Kurdish one in Irbil. Kurds want to incorporate it into their self-rule area, but the idea has met stiff resistance from Arabs and a constitutionally required referendum on the issue was delayed to next year.

Much of Iraq's vast oil wealth lies under the ground in the region, as well as in the Shiite-controlled south. Kurds control of the area's oil resources and its cultural attachment to Kurdistan have been hotly contested.

In an unrelated overnight raid, about 250 Iraqi police raided three villages near Hawija, about 30 miles southwest of Kirkuk, in an operation against suspected al-Qaida in Iraq militants, said provincial police chief Brig. Sarhat Qadir.

In a six-hour raid that began at 1 a.m., police detained 12 al-Qaida in Iraq suspects as well as another eight people, and seized a large weapons cache that included 2,500 mortar rounds, 350 Katyusha rockets, about 150 improvised bombs and about 500 mines, Qadir said.

Meanwhile, a car bomb targeting a police patrol exploded in central Baghdad Tuesday afternoon. Two policeman were killed, as were two civilians, police said. Eight other people were wounded.

My Way News - Turkish Army Sends Soldiers Into Iraq

Big K

"...About 300 Turkish troops crossed the border at 3 a.m., said Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the regional Kurdistan government. He said the region was a deserted mountainous frontier area..."

Last time 400+ PKK terrorists crossed the border and killed 15+ Turkish Soldiers...what did they do as "Regional Kurdish Govt."?...nothing...blah...

Thiseas

I dont want to influence nobody!!

Thiseas

Making a genocide doesn't mean you leave noone alive, even if you wish. Don't play with words and meanings

Big K

"The Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK, has battled for autonomy for southeastern Turkey for more than two decades and uses strongholds in northern Iraq for cross-border strikes."

BTW,

did anyone pay attention to so-called fictional Kurdistan map??

Northern borders are on the very same line with Baku-CEyhan Oil Pipeline...oh my goodness...what a coincidence!!!!....of course they made this map with all true feelings...

Thiseas

Like it or not they where exactly where they are today, centuries before you.
So they have the right to claim their country back.
Off course terrorism is another think.If any nation claiming his country back where terrorists, Europe would be a nazistic camp today.

Thiseas

Didn't you " brave boy's " changed the map of europe back in 1974?
Excuse me for not forgeting Cyprus!!
What about that map?

Big K

even if i wish?...

we dont need any other warmonger...so take care of your words...

Thiseas

oups that was going to big k, sory