Saddam Execution Thread

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Swift Sword

If there is discipline enough to wait three years, there ought to be discipline enough to wait another week given that Saddam had nothing to lose and the Iraquis as well as ourselves have an awful lot of chips on the table.

Eating cake but not being able to have it is not exactly the ideal outcome if you ask me.

Well, I never would ask you; your answers are always wrong.

However, I address why I think waiting would make things worse, and not better. Keep reading; you'll come to it.

[Asim Aquil]

Wrong move. Worst timing ever by America. On the day of Eid?

It will polarize the world further. Can't help but read a them vs us message here. We sacrifice goats, Americans sacrifice us...

[Tronic]

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

On the day of Eid?
It will polarize the world further. Can't help but read a them vs us message here.

ok, now that is totally hypocrite.... Are you forgetting the Yom Kippur War??? An attack on Israel on their most holy day... yea, "us" vs. "them" and its "them's" fault...

We sacrifice goats,

dude, its Iraq... Civilian body parts flying all around, militias rounding up and murdering people. You cannot possibily relate this to eid. If so, then you're totally wrong, since goats aren't the only ones dying in the Middle East right now....

Americans sacrifice us...

ahh... so Saddam is one of "us" now....

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Wrong move. Worst timing ever by America. On the day of Eid?

It will polarize the world further. Can't help but read a them vs us message here. We sacrifice goats, Americans sacrifice us...

Gimme a very large personal break, Asim. Since when did any Islamist ******* stop killing people - even MUSLIMS! - because it was Ramadan, or Eid, or Friday?

No, that dog won't hunt, pardner. I'll admit it could be used that way, but any rational person is going to see right through THAT crap.

That you would bring it up, though, is a bit disappointing. Please don't treat us like we're stupid, okay? Wasn't it you that went into seethe/whine mode when all of us were so two-faced about Israel's crimes, but supposedly held Muslims to a higher standard? Got that exactly backwards, by the way, and now you want to advance the argument that the Americans kill all the peaceful Muslims on their holidays, when you know dam' well that these nutters think they get extra-apecial martyrdom blessings when they drive a car bomb into the infidels on a holy day.

Goats? No, mate; they're killing US.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Tronic

ok, now that is totally hypocrite.... Are you forgetting the Yom Kippur War??? An attack on Israel on their most holy day... yea, "us" vs. "them" and its "them's" fault...


dude, its Iraq... Civilian body parts flying all around, militias rounding up and murdering people. You cannot possibily relate this to eid. If so, then you're totally wrong, since goats aren't the only ones dying in the Middle East right now....



ahh... so Saddam is one of "us" now....

Wow...dam' fine post. Pairs well with mine, don't you think?

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Swift Sword

Bluesman,

And just what do you think they will be saying at the Big Ole Revival in the Desert about this?

It could very well be along the lines of "the Iraqi puppets of the ZioCrusader infidel pig dogs have chosen the Eve of Arafat to kill a Muslim instead of prayerfully gathering together their sacrafices. Their apostasy is clear and God says we need to punish them a hundred fold more than we have been. Get you a shotgun, praise be upon it, go forth and kill every whitey you see."

This improves our situation exactly how?

If you hand the enemy free ammunition, don't you think he might take the opportunity to shoot it at you?

I would be willing to wager that the opposition had all of the marketing materials required to exploit this contingency in the can fifteen months ago.



In all fairness, he did know an awful lot about how to run that country .



Inflexible and slavish devotion to the Law is one of the traits you like to bring up when you call Muslims savages, trapped in the 10'th Century, are only capable Medieval thought, etc.

Iraqi statute is like any other law which means it can be worked around by the appropriate technical staff.

Issue a statement that the designated executioner has succumbed to the Crimean-Congo Hangman's Flu and the second fiddle is making his Pilgrimmage...tsk...tsk...can't do it until next week...let us all run along and pray.

See, wasn't that easy?

In general though, the best way to walk out of a trap does appear to be to not walk into it in the first place.

Happy New Year,

William

Goddamit, I'm tired and want to go to bed, but now I have to demolish ANOTHER one of your fuzzy-headed posts line-by-line.

Here we go:

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Swift Sword

Bluesman,

And just what do you think they will be saying at the Big Ole Revival in the Desert about this?

That the law was scrupulously followed, as it should be in a state that hopes to govern moderately well. If Iraq ever gets to that point, it'll be through steps like this, not the haphazard approach to law-following you seem to be endorsing.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Swift Sword

It could very well be along the lines of "the Iraqi puppets of the ZioCrusader infidel pig dogs have chosen the Eve of Arafat to kill a Muslim instead of prayerfully gathering together their sacrafices. Their apostasy is clear and God says we need to punish them a hundred fold more than we have been. Get you a shotgun, praise be upon it, go forth and kill every whitey you see."

This improves our situation exactly how?

Did you read what I wrote some posts ago? THAT is how it improves our situation. Please review, and read for comprehension instead of speed.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Swift Sword

If you hand the enemy free ammunition, don't you think he might take the opportunity to shoot it at you?

Certainly, which is why I advocate enforcing the rule of law, and not the random, capricious, expedient approach to statecraft that has made the Third World such a hellhole.

The enemy's ammunition here would be a live Saddam. OUR ammunition is a dead dictator, because, I think you're forgetting something: Iraqis SUFFERED under this monster. Those who would mourn him are, by definition, the enemy. And the minority. So, how many Iraqis will you frighten by NOT carrying out the execution? How many will you disappoint, or confirm their conspiracy-fueled fears that Saddam MAY come back?

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Swift Sword

I would be willing to wager that the opposition had all of the marketing materials required to exploit this contingency in the can fifteen months ago.

Okay, I'll back you all the way on THAT point. Our information operations has been total sh!t from 9/11 up to this very day. Our enemies, however, have figured out how to use a sometimes-willing, sometimes- gullible, ALWAYS-defeatist media, and they're WAY out in front on just about every news item.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Swift Sword

In the long view, it would appear that the pros of the Hague alternative would have outweighed the cons.

Matching available tools to desired ends is a prudent course of action.

Regime change in Iraq was the desired end and the ICC was an available disposal mechanism.

The Hague is not perfect but it is precisely in its imperfections where the advantage would have been gained.

Shut the hell up for a few minutes, I'm not done destroying the other post yet, and oh, by the way, and big surprise, that is a bunch of ludicrous hooey, too. Especially that last sentence. Oh my GAWD, what nonsense!

Dammit, William, you are the most infuriating poster since lulldapull got banned. For a completely different reason, and the other difference is I wanted to cripple that little freak, wheareas I merely want to grab your lapels and shake you for about five minutes.

In a friendly way, of course.

[Srirangan]

Hanging on Eid. A very bold move. Will dent the collective Sunni psyche all around the world.

Am disappointed by the political reaction in India, but it was expected, since elections in crucial states are nearing.

Expect more marginalization of Sunni's & Shia's all around the world not the least in Iraq.

[Bluesman]

Actually, I'm about played out, and Allah knows I'm NEVER going to get anywhere with you, because of your detachment from reality. I'll cut it off here, and I think I'm just going to have to put you on 'Ignore'. Not for the usual reasons, but this is like (to borrow a GREAT analogy from Hugh Hewitt) trying to have Andre Agassi play tennis against the Boston Red Sox, who will be playing baseball. There is no intersection of what the 'givens' are, and I simply cannot imagine how you came to believe some of the stuff you've written.

I can't say I'll miss you, William, because you made my blood pressure go up and I wasted WAY too much time on your crackpot assumptions. But you've been a gentleman, much more than I have, in our encounters, and you at least CARE about the subject matter, though you seem to see through a glass, darkly. I never have seen somebody reach that many wrong conclusions across such a broad spectrum, but I do not doubt your sincerity or integrity. Clarity, though...

This may not have translated well over the time we've contended, but let me say that I really DO like you, in the way I like my batty old aunt. She's convinced that Area 51, the Bermuda Triangle, pyramids and a whole bunch of other paranormal crapola is somehow proof of something blahblahblah...

But you just make me crazy, man. I just hope you don't get quoted too often, because then I'll have to shoot down your posts again, and I'll be up until OHMYGAWD, look at the time...

Goodbye, William. Happy New Year.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Lahori paa jee

And i know ur reasons for that. If im not wrong was i not on ur ignore list. Do me a favour refresh that list Please

CAPITAL idea.

Friggin' whacko.

[Srirangan]

Saddam Execution 'Unfortunate', says Indian Government

Govt. trying to appease and win over muslim votes ahead of elections in 2007.

Commies already planning their strikes and hartals.

I have an feeling that BJP will welcome the hanging and will try to woo the Shia vote bank, but don't count on it, BJP ain't the smartest!