tw-acs

Force cannot create a government that the people will feel soviergn to, Intro to Political Science - Inver Hills Community College - Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota, USA

Why do you peoples refer to "Operation Iraqi Freedom" as a war?

Trooth

Because several nations have brought out the big toys and killed each other's citizens.

Give me a better internationally recognised description.

tw-acs

US operations that are authorized by EXECUTIVE ORDER, are just that US operations authorized by EXECUTIVE ORDER. I.E. OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM

If congress had declared WAR on Iraq then it would be properly termed the "War in Iraq."

Though we all know that did not happen.

Operation Iraqi Freedom

Trooth

That only applies to the US.

Praxus

You need to tell your Political Science teature about Japan, because FORCE did create a Government people feel Souverign too.

tw-acs

Praxus

Go to your elementary teachers and complain because you cannot spell.

Trooth

If you can't play nicely children, you will both have to be sent to bed early.

tw-acs

Thank you Trooth

We must not get into silly spats like this Praxus. We should try to be more civil. I will do my best. I hope you will, too

Confed999

That's fine and dandy, but it's tricky to win hearts and minds while the bad guys are still there shooting at you. Maybe it's a "Catch 22", or a no-win situation, if that's the case, as soon as it becomes apparent the Iraqis aren't willing to work with us for a better future, then I will support the next level of warfare. Give them what they want, they can melow out and make their country liveable again, or they can see it totaly destroyed. It's their choice, I hope they make it soon.

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I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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Confed999

If this is a Catch 22, wasn't it possible to foresee this before we sent troops in to harms way?

donnie

what government was created without force involved?

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Aryan

Trooth

I agree the official reason why we went into Iraq was wrong, the whole WMD was risky at best. But we ought to look at it in perspective, Saddam who had proven links to terrorism, well we've got him now. Best thing to do now is set up a government in Iraq as quickly as possible, and then get our lads out. Casualties aren't too bad right now, but is it really losing any more lives over it?

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Donnie

I mean the USA cannot force a government on the Iraqi people, not that force may not be used in making a government.

I believe the Iraqi's are using force to make their government by first freeing themselves from the occupying forces.

Trooth

They are two seperate issues. Whether or not he war could be justified is an issue for people in November (US) and MAy (UK) when Bush and Labour ask their citizens if they can have another go at running their respective countries. Arguing about how we got into IRaq doesn't change the fact that we have invaded, changed their government and are in the process of putting place a new one.

The future lies with the government we create. Blair's speech to the US congress regarding "history will look favourably on us" will only come true if we cerate a successful viable government. Such a government, created out of the near chaos that now passes itself for Iraq will only be viable if it is supported by populace. If it isn't representative and has to be propped up with large chunks of military force then this leaves three problems :-

1) History will not look favourably upon us
2) We will have change one brutal oppressive regime for another (see 1)
3) Our lads won't be coming home soon

donnie

so you dont believe that iraq will be self governing? you believe the US is installing a government that will not be voted upon in iraqs future? is it the iraqi people who are fighting to not have democracy, or are the ones fighting those who stand to gain without a democracy?