dalem

How can you be neutral?

On one side you have people who want to saw your living head off. On the other you have people who don't want that to happen.

You have to pick a side.

-dale

brian00

None of these people have harmed me or anyone i know, why get personally involved, and both sides have commited atrocities and human rights violations

highsea

Read the databases on the Iraq Body Count site. It should become clear to you who is killing civilians in Iraq.

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dalem

A truly vacuous answer. One side, the terrorists, regularly seeks out and murders - in particularly heinous ways - innocent civilians. The other side (that's us) regularly targets terrorists, and when they accidentally harm or kill innocent civilians they feel bad about it.

And you can claim that they are equivalent?

-dale

brian00

Like i said foreign terrorists like al-zarqawi are different to the locals fighting the soldiers on a day to day basis, spoonman defined the difference well in his post.

The US troops are not bad people, just like the British army, the poles, also the spanish and italian they all signed up for various reasons and I respect their bravery, they are just following orders.

Parihaka

They're not fighting soldiers, they're blowing up civilians. Daily.

leib10

That's not fighting. It's murder. They're nothing but a bunch of armed bandits who deserve nothing more than a bullet in the head.

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Confed999

The Iraqis can ask us to leave anytime they wish, and we'll go. When have we ever liberated anyone, and not left when asked? Also, the UN recognizes the "invitation", just in case you hadn't noticed, and while that means little to me, it probably means a lot to you.
Problem is, currently we're working for the Iraqi government, at our own expense. They aren't killing "collaborators", they're killing their own peoples, the ones they claim to be fighting for.
You see there are two problems with your assessment. First, we are no longer occupying the country. The Iraqis have their own elected government, and we're there at their request to train their army, and to help take out these things intent on killing as many people as possible to make headlines. The second problem is that technically, since the Iraqi government took control your "freedom fighters" are the ones acting "treasonably".

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Confed999

American soldiers are "liberators", the Americans have their freedom already.
Except that since they do not do everything we want already, they cannot be "puppets".

Confed999

Once the Iraqi government was formed and took charge, that point became moot, and my point took effect.

Confed999

Agreed...

Confed999

If people hadn't felt that way in the 30's how many millions of people would have never been in a death camp?

Confed999

Yes. They make their attacks at crowded intersections. They attack when children rush up to a soldier to get some candy. They attack in front of hospitals and schools. They shield themselves with civilians.

Bluesman

You're not neutral; you abet evil. George Orwell knew all about the likes of you. By seeing no difference in those contending in this great battle, you diminish the Right and magnify the Wrong. You equate what is in no sense can be equivalent, and by doing that, you are aiding the enemy. You are an accomplice to crimes against humanity, albeit a gutless one that won't actually ACT on his weakly-held 'principles'.

And your exquisite self is too precious to get involved on either side? Well, we don't want you, and your 'freedom fighters' would kill you out-of-hand. You have placed yourself outside of BOTH of our societies, and alone is exactly how you should spend the rest of your miserable existence on our planet, secured in safety by people that are your moral superiors by such a great margin that you and they can't even see each other anymore.

You're low; you're valueless; you are without any honor or sense of morality. I hate you and I piss on your bogus 'neutrality'.

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TopHatter

You are either a coward, an unbelievable fool, or a troll that is hitting up on people for reactions.

Which is it?