leib10

I could think of a lot of other names for them, most of them not repeatable in public. But terrorists will do.

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ArmchairGeneral

Seems like you can't just call everbody the same thing. Al Qaeda are terrorists, pure and simple. Some of the Iraqis are terrorists, pure and simple. Some may be, in fact fighting just against the US, and the perceived to be puppet Iraqi gov't. And some, to be sure, are simply tribal in nature. Let's kill the Sunnis, or let's kill the Shi'as. There's all sorts of violence going on in Iraq; I really don't think you can simplify it.

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leib10

When people say terrorist, they usually mean AQ or a similar organization. However, I think that people slaughtering innocent civilians fall into the same category.

Confed999

The only "Freedom Fighters" in Iraq, are the new Iraqi army and the Iraqi peoples assisting them.

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brian00

I voted for 'freedom fighters', so that leaves one of you out there that agrees with me

I don’t want to get drawn into a long debate here, I was simply interested in your opinions

In my view Iraq seems complicated, but simply put; America + allies invaded Iraq and are occupying it. Making anyone who fights for an Iraq free from occupation a freedom fighter.

The media say the word terrorism often; I think it is an incorrect use

Confed999

Ummmmm, except the people fighting are the only reason we've been invited to stay...

smilingassassin

Well said!! Much braver geneology in these guys than the Insurgent cast....

smilingassassin

...yes usually you can find at least two people in a bunch who agree on something, that dosn't make it the correct veiw however.....

Well you certainly have my opinion on the matter, they are most certainly not freedom fighters in the western sence.

Funny thing is after the "invasion" the invaded nation asked the U.S. and its allies to stay and help get it back on its feet, I wouldn't call that an occupation. The Russians raping an pillaging a spent Nazi Germany was "occupation", the Americans airlifting supply's into Berlin was "liberation". It all depends on your veiw of whats occupation and whats not.

In this case your implication that Americans are invaders suggests that U.S. views on how a nation should be responcibly run do not coenside with your own beleifs, I assume anarchy should rule in a civilized nation?

At first most certainly, but lately they seem to be starting to properly recognize the implied meaning of "Terrorist", one who uses terror as a weapon to strike random targets to undermine law and order.

-{SpoonmaN}-

Neither. For the nationalists and the like who do IED attacks and ambushes on MNF and ISF troops, I use the term rebels. I might strongly disagree with their goals but I don't see them as terrorists since they attack Military targets.
For Al-Qaeda and other groups who deliberately attack civilians, Terrorists, since that's what terrorism is. An important point to remember is that a lot of the Nationalists had put out death warrants on Zarqawi for murdering civilians and trying to start a civil war, since this was totally counter-productive to their goals of uniting Iraq against the MNF and the Government. Basically, the insugrency is too broad and complicated to lump all the people involved in it under one label.

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brian00

A couple of people refer to this "invitation", Tell me if this invitation had not been offered, would the troops have left?



As for those iraqis who are working with the US, these people are collaborators

Dictionary.com has this definition of the word

'To cooperate treasonably, as with an enemy occupation force in one's country'

A very fitting description

Asim Aquil

Well at least you didn't include the American soldiers into that group :D I can live with that.

I never dismissed them I simply reserved comment and said "that remains to be seen". I hope you are correct.

Asim Aquil

Now I can't accept that :D

continuing this casual chain of arguments, "And they only started fighting because you had stayed".

Bluesman

Well. I'll be damned. Boys, we have a representative of the enemy here.

Allow me to express my total and utter contempt for you, brian. I sincerely hope you don't just talk a good game, but that you actually act on your preferences and go to Iraq to get involved in your cause.

What awaits you there is exactly what you and your friends deserve.

Go. Away from us, and towards your allies, you despicable moral midget.

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smilingassassin

That depends on what state the country is in.....I suppose if the Americans had left right after the war you'd be critisising them for leaving Iraq to be cleaned up by others and that the Americans wanted the oil.

Yes they are colaberators, against Saddams regieme, the same regeime every nation has agreed Iraq is better off without, whats your point? This arguement of yours sounds alot like the Freedom fighter/terrorist arguement. So your telling me if Britain was controled by a man such as Hitler you would be a colaberator for fighting against him? Thats wonderfull....

Its fine and dandy to quote certain words from a dictionary but it certainly dosn't prove you have an accurate perseption of the situation.

brian00

Smilling assassin you keep on talking about the reasons for the war, like i said its complicated

But this situation is an enemy occupation, And those fighting enemy occupation are still freedom fighters

And Bluesman

this is a world discussion board isnt it? Please dont post in my thread if you arent going to use your brain, i dont care how many posts you have

And I consider myself neutral in this and do not intend to join anyside.