Anon

FOR THE RECORD: The AC-130H/U Specter/Spooky is THE MOST PRECISELY ACCURATE AIRBORNE WEAPONS SYSTEM EVER FIELED BY MAN.

IF there is ANY plane to use to root out a terrorist in a building in Birmingham, AL, it IS the AC-130 gunship.

indianguy4u

What will u call of this

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...0900010002.htm
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Had some of these tourists being "WHITE" westerners, there would have been so much furore, but they were indians, so nothing much.

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Confed999

What do I call it? Terrorism. I couldn't care less what color, religion, nationality, sex, or sexual preference a person is either.

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Asim Aquil

At least they're not in a place like Guantanamo and just being talked about in an article.

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Confed999

If they did it, hopefully they'll go to a place far worse than Gitmo...

Anon

They get convicted they'll go to a place MUCH worse than Guantanomo Cuba, i ASSURE you.

highsea

Let's see, there are what 500,000 Indian troops in Kashmir? Local curfews, restricted travel....But that's not an occupation.

140,000 US troops in Iraq are there under UN mandate, at the request of the elected government of Iraq, working very hard to turn over security to Iraqis so that we can bring our troops home. But that's an occupation.

Where is your UN mandate for Kashmir?
No doubt.

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Jay

Its the technicalities, coz Maharaja Hair singh signed the accession in favor of India, so its not an occupation. More over J&K is an Indian state and Kashmiris are constituitionally Indian citizens. Indian army is there to protect its citizens, so it cannot be termed as occupation.

Ive wondered about it too. I mean American forces are there to help out Iraq, they helped in conducting elections and form a government, but they still are called as occupation forces, not just in Aljazeera media but also in BBC. There is no UN mandate which asks US forces to be stationed in Iraq, per se.

Actually there is a UN resolution, passed in the 50's which asks India to maintain its forces untill a pleblicite is conducted. The same non binding resolution also asks Pakistan to withdraw its forces and prohibits altering the demographics. Much water has flown thro it, so its not worthwhile to even discuss those UN resolutions anymore.

I agree to the point that terrorists ought to be neutralized, but the double standards followed by the State dept irks me the most.

Its fine to use airstrikes/artillery attacks in Iraq but if we do a major operation in India, then State dept would croon over it in its annual review.

I hope this will not be flame fest, but the same thing with Pakistan. Everytime there is a major operation, they will drum up against India in almost every international forums, while they used air and mortar strikes in Wana. Hypocrits! I guess thats how the world is, we will keep moving on.

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Confed999

It was the same mandate that stated the new Iraqi government was soverign, and that Coalition forces were there under it's authority.

Jay

There was no mandate, it was merely a statement. After all the US Defence forces have gone thro in Iraq, the pain and sufferings they had to bear to uphold Iraqi sovreignity, the UN statement carefully omitted anything related to US.
So, why do we even care about UN mandate?

Confed999

Let me rephrase my statement as it was likely not clear: It was the same mandate that stated the new Iraqi government was soverign, and that Coalition forces were there under (the new Iraqi government's) authority.

Better?

Shek

They are in pretrial confinement in a brig run by military police.

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Shek

Hari Om,

So if Stalin didn't publish a report on human right abuses, you'd be fine with the fact that he killed millions of people? A sort of practice what you preach moral relativism? I don't think that this is really what you are saying, but that's what it means when put to paper and then taken to its logical ends.

This is in the same weak category of argument that I see some Americans make when they say that "we'll, Abu Ghraib was bad, but it's not as bad as what those terrorists do, so it's okay." Both are junk arguments.

The fact is that the United States sets standards for human rights and we call people to the carpet to account for those human rights violations. If you actually read the varying reports, some of the classifications are based on what a government does to stop these violations. So, what is the US doing to prevent its own violations? You can look at the record and find hundreds of inquiries and investigations, you can find hundreds of soldiers and persons convicted and sentenced to punishments in accordance with what the evidence could support in a trial by jury consistent with the American civilian court system.

To expect that any nation could field a military that is void of any violations of any international convention or moral code is unreasonable and impossible. I'm sure that you could rattle off plenty of incidents that are less than savory that have been committed under the auspices of your government.

I'm not trying to turn this into a India vs. US thread, but just want to make sure that as we debate the actions of individuals, that we analyse proper the role of the state in those actions. Maybe the investigation will turn up something pervasive in the Haditha incident, but so far, what we have is a staff sergeant who allowed his unit to get out of control (in contrast to the My Lai incident in Vietnam, where the culpability ran up to the general officer level in terms of the attitude that allowed a festering moral peversion against Vietnamese to turn into a massacre).

Confed999

Yeah, gotta stop before "so it's ok"...

Wraith601

My favorite is this assclown.

Ted Rall

What gets me is that people read and believe this utter crap.

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