The Indian ARMY

**GWALIA_NY** · 03 Sep 05,, 16:06

hI ALL wrote this article about the Indian ARMY coz I think India needs to give its soldiers their due before we as a nation degrade one of the finest institutions in the country . Would love to hear everyones views .
Gurpreet

**Ray** · 03 Sep 05,, 18:17

I don't think that much of what you have written are actually the facts on the ground.

Manekshaw never ever thought of a coup against Mrs Gandhi. Please read what he writes. In fact, he overreaches himself in praising Mrs Gandhi.

It is correct to soem extent that the "material" that is joining the Army is not the same as before. The reasons could be that life is much harder and combat is all prevasive. The day you join you are in counter insurgency and that is no fun!

Look at the best paid, best fed and best comfort ARmy int he world - the US Army. They require green card soldiers!

We all want glory for our country (just see our cyber warriors on this forum).But, we also want the safe and airconditioned havens of our homes or fancy high paid jobs in civil.

One cannot look at the Army career in such asimplistic black and white environment.

**GWALIA_NY** · 03 Sep 05,, 18:25

Originally Posted by Ray

I don't think that much of what you have written are actually the facts on the ground.

Manekshaw never ever thought of a coup against Mrs Gandhi. Please read what he writes. In fact, he overreaches himself in praising Mrs Gandhi.

It is correct to soem extent that the "material" that is joining the Army is not the same as before. The reasons could be that life is much harder and combat is all prevasive. The day you join you are in counter insurgency and that is no fun!

Look at the best paid, best fed and best comfort ARmy int he world - the US Army. They require green card soldiers!

We all want glory for our country (just see our cyber warriors on this forum).But, we also want the safe and airconditioned havens of our homes or fancy high paid jobs in civil.

One cannot look at the Army career in such asimplistic black and white environment.

u r right Sir and thats what i wrote that Manekshaw was never planning a coup it was suspected by the government that he was

**Ray** · 03 Sep 05,, 19:11

Hey they (won't mention the punks) think I am organising a coup at WAB!

**lemontree** · 05 Sep 05,, 05:10

Gurpreet,
The quality of officers has not reduced (only the quantity has), although the perception exists. The Allahabad SSB is still known as the rejection centre. When I had gone for my SSB, 5 batches before me had been wash-outs (no one was selected). My batch was the last one and only 3 of us were selected. The yesteryears too had their share of bad quality officers, the type who should have been shot at birth.
Two reasons for lack of candidates:-
- Reduction in the protocol of seniority, thereby reducing powers and authority of army officers.
- The poor pay packets. The elimination of the 2nd Lt ranks was done only to raise the starting pay of officers to Rs.8000+ (i.e of Lts). This was a foolish decision. The 5th pay commission started the rot by giving the civil services (since the commision was headed by them) a higher pay packet than the armed forces. To make matters worse the then COAS behaved like a "good boy".

**Officer of Engineers** · 07 Sep 05,, 04:30

Originally Posted by Ray

Hey they (won't mention the punks) think I am organising a coup at WAB!

Sir,

Do you need an OpsO? I think I can recruit M21 for recee. Bluesman got the spook angle covered. And we have the two Captains for muscle.

**Samudra** · 07 Sep 05,, 08:00

Sir,

An odd job or two for this civillian puke ?

**Ray** · 07 Sep 05,, 21:30

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Sir,

Do you need an OpsO? I think I can recruit M21 for recee. Bluesman got the spook angle covered. And we have the two Captains for muscle.

**TopHatter** · 08 Sep 05,, 00:42

Originally Posted by Samudra

Sir,

An odd job or two for this civillian puke ?

*cough cough* Make that two civilian pukes....

**lemontree** · 08 Sep 05,, 05:37

Originally Posted by Samudra

Sir,

An odd job or two for this civillian puke ?

Logistics and supplies for you, and pay and accounts.

**Ray** · 08 Sep 05,, 16:19

Lemontree,

But if he acts like the CDA, we will lose half our pay and pension!

**Samudra** · 08 Sep 05,, 17:08

You can count on me , Sir.
I'm not that inefficient.
You will get your full pay.
Or you will get no pay!

Nothing in between.

**Officer of Engineers** · 09 Sep 05,, 02:07

Why do I get the feeling you're a student of Enron?

**Parihaka** · 09 Sep 05,, 02:29

If you want the revolution to be televised you can count me in.

**lemontree** · 09 Sep 05,, 05:32

Originally Posted by Ray

Lemontree,

But if he acts like the CDA, we will lose half our pay and pension!

Come sir, CDA is far better than if soldiers handled it. As long as they are not IAS its OK.

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