I didnt accuse of thread crapping.Its a phenomenon seen in this part of the board only.Originally Posted by Asim Aquil
I dont mind accusations against india afterall i am the last one in this world to belive india is perfect.But after being here for past many months only in less than 50% of time have i really seen real problems being discussed.
Why is that so?you can refer to your post/new thread abt communal violonce in India.And by this i am not saying Indians dont do it,they also do.
So whats the sole purpsoe of us all being here; is it to count the no of rapes happening in S Asia.We can do better.
Some one has to stop first!!!
What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
The ones in the casinos are serious.
Why don't you quote the post in this thread where I said it'd be awful to see you get banned. But a general policy around thread crapping, one thats accepted by the boards members and enforced by the owners and administrators, would be great.
If this thread has gone on so long with all this inane stuff, I am sure it is not even worth the trouble of the Admins, Mods or even the Owners to have a look.
I am sure they drop in when life is getting sluggish and boring to see the latest antics on this thread!.
How long are we going to say the same thing and have it refuted and then say the same thing to have it refuted and on and on.
The only positive thing I find of this thread is that the number of posts against the members names increase and their ego massaged!
Go back to the real battleground - the Asian Sub Forum. You do it so well that unlike earlier days, there are many non Asians who are feveredly checking Indo Pak news in their papers and posting some interesting thoughts to add to the fun!
The Asian sub forum is Disneyland. Go back to it!
Last edited by Ray; 20 Jun 05, at 18:16.
Ray, the shoo-off lingo just doesn't suit you. Stand your ground, 'soldier'!
You seem to be enjoying yourself with all this drivel and egging chaps.
Good for you.
It appears that you wallow in street fights. So, typical.
Enjoy yourself.
I stand my ground for a cause as a man or as a soldier and not for drivel.
I prefer not to tilt at windmills.
No more from me.
Last edited by Ray; 20 Jun 05, at 20:51.
I'm not even fighting, I didn't start nor reciprocated with the trash talk ol'mate. I simply pointed out the errors of your ways... according to me, that is.
When I do throw a punch, you'll know it.
Ooops....the feather touch.
What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
The ones in the casinos are serious.
Asim, as one person to another, you might want to treat the Brigadier with a bit more respect. Just a friendly suggestion.
I tryyyyyyy somebody else mentioned that to me in the PMs too. I just don't respond well to bullies. I'm a civillian. Haha I called Brigadier Javed Ashraf, 'yaar' (thats Urdu for 'Dude') once. Now he's Pakistani! My homeland. But they know we're civillian, we mean no disrespect, with such words, we've not been trained like them. I'm just conversing with him like I'd converse with any other dude.
Expecting a civillian to go "SIR YES SIR!" on a public forum is a stretch! And I doubt the brigadier wants such a treatment either from me or other civies. What next? Each time Ray or Lemontree or the others from the military here, say something there will be some member throwing in a shout "OFFICER ON THE DECK!"
Why he has singled me out, to respond with some really childish (and I'm probably half his age or less) trash talk is beyond me. That's why I said, it doesn't suit you. I'd expect that from ... well lets not go down that road... well I'd expect that from myself, lets just leave it there, if we have to take some names.
To sum it up, I'd love being friends, but a subordinate is a no no. Anyway, suggestion noted, I'll try harder.
Neither do I, nothing wrong with that
As am I
Nobody is expecting you to bow and scrape, jump to attention or anything of that sort.
I agree, I think they would find it annoying, if not being outright disgusted at such obsequience from civilians they've never even met, much less those being from a different country or even a different continent altogether.
As for myself, I treat the military and LEO members of the board with a certain amount of deference that I feel is due to them. I also rib them from time to time with gentle good humor, which is all in fun. I have immense respect for them, serving in a duty that I was never able to undertake. What anybody else thinks about that is entirely their own opinion, which they are certainly entitled to.
Again, no.
I understand that you're using hyperbole to make a point, but a certain amount of respect is due these men (and women) who serve our countries and our communities by putting their lives on the line. You may not particularly like the country they come from, but on this board I would simply suggest, again, showing them a wee bit of recognition of the hazardous occupation they've chosen.
Quite possibly because you've been acting like a spoiled child that is whining that the other children aren't playing fair. No no, don't get bent out of shape by my last sentence, it's unfortunately the truth. I think many of the other board members would agree and if you take a good honest look at your posts on this thread alone, you might just find a small amount of truth to what I say.
Then you'll be welcome here as a friend, first of all by me. Respected for your opinions when you state them in a mature adult way.
Once again, you and I and everyone else on this board are subordinate to no one but the Mods/Admins and then only for breaking the board rules for language and conduct.
That's all anybody could ever ask of you, and it's a darn good attitude to have IMHO.
Oh, by the way, the proper phrasing is simply "OFFICER ON DECK" and it probably wouldnt mean a thing to Ray, Lemontree or OoE, since none of them were Naval or Marine officers
Last edited by TopHatter; 22 Jun 05, at 03:00.
Well the thread was created for one purpose and one alone, thread crapping. Its a common term amongst forummers, btw. I personally feel its wrong to launch into petty insults and break away from topic.
Keep the military thing aside for a moment, and I'd still say Ray's a fascinating individual. I guess thats where I differ, when I see him just as anybody else. It'll remain so, which c'mon is not really something bad, I can see him as a good guy too, which most of the time I do. It just saddens me at times to... well at least thats what I feel, that he visualizes me as an enemy. Perhaps its the hostiles/friendlies thing that goes on in military camps (honestly I wouldn't know).
In many ways I've seen he's a staunch secularist, which I am too. He's against Islamic fundamentalism (he's actually ready to make a few compromises here n there), I'm too with the compromises. He and I could perfectly be perfect partners, but for some reason we're not.
Well I guess the reason behind that is also my doing... well mostly. I'm a stubborn guy and a person that sticks to what he says and sometimes its such a weakness that I can start fixating on things. I will take out Islamic fundamentalism, I hate extremists, I hate the fact that Pakistan is run today as a theocracy and not a secular state, but do not confuse that for me being ok with someone whose an enemy to the nation. I classify Mullahs and all the other fundamentalists as traitors to the Pakistan idea, and enemies of the state, but thats just them. I will still speak up for the nation. For some reason these two things are mixed, on perceiving "what sort of a person I am". You know at times I've really felt, Ray understood and believed, "What sort of a person I am". Just him. He has had such an effect on me.
Sometimes in their passionate hatred I've been termed as an "Islamic Jihadi". You should see the hatemail I've received and death threats from these Jihadi kinds for being closely associated to a very secularist Pakistani media service.
Things aren't as black and white, TopHatter. There's a lot of grey, and you've got to be akin to events on the forum History and sentiments to figure it all out. I've complaint since I've seen people get banned for over debating at times (accused of religious intollerance, etc) and crossing their limits. This thread, comes back to ask that question... what about the lack of a debate? A good one at least.
My friend, I will not pretend to know the full history of the problems that India and Pakistan are going through. However, I am very well read in certain parts of history and indeed I would rather read about history than anything else. (except the military of course
I'm sure you've been called many things and threatened with death as well.
It has, no doubt, given you ample reason to stand your ground and defend yourself, verbally or physically.
I myself am of Middle East extraction, a few generations removed and I would gladly line up every extremist in the world in front of a GAU-8 and pull the trigger
(Which is not extremist at all, not at all!
And you are quite correct, the world can be a lovely shade of gray most of the time.
But you have to remember one important thing:
This is just the Internet. That's all. Just the Internet.
It's a great way to learn new things (like the ROF on a GAU-8), meet new people (I never thought I'd be able to converse with people on the other side of world for pennies a day) share ideas (like how many terrorists you can line up against a wall) and generally enjoy yourself (by buying large amounts of 30mm ammo via credit card)
But at the end of the day, you get up and walk away from it.
Actually, even though you are a civilian it does not hurt to give them a little respect, which they thoroughly deserve. We had anohter Pakistani Officer in the board, and most of the Indians here treated him with the same respect that we give for Ray or Lemon or OoE or Snipe or bluesman etc etc. No one is forcing you to give them respect, it sud occur to you, if not then forget it.
A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!
The Brigadier does not visualize you as an enemy. Believe me, you would know it if he did. Anyone remember the original tirade between the Brigadier on one side and me and M21 on the other? At the time, if it were in his powers, he would have brought both of us up on charges of insubordination. However, he was not going after us with a campaign in mind.
However, you are on the opposite side and to the military mind, some things just doesn't fit and do not need consideration. Maybe to you that Musharraf is the best thing that happenned to Pakistan but to us, the treatment of the NLI forever marred him as being a leader of men.
Chimo
Sad to see how this incident being forgotten by so many...the treatment of the NLI forever marred him as being a leader of men.
I rant, therefore I am.
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