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    Quote Originally Posted by kukiyi View Post
    Who says 14-year old gymnast can do better than 16-year old ??

    I know why use drug is cheating, but I don't see how "age" helps gymnast performance.
    Apparently the West feels so and they think the Chinese have proved so!


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    Quote Originally Posted by kukiyi View Post
    Who says 14-year old gymnast can do better than 16-year old ??

    I know why use drug is cheating, but I don't see how "age" helps gymnast performance.
    It is going against the IOC rules, one of the functions of which is to avoid undue pressure on the atheletes. this is as per the IOc president, as per a recent interview.

    I would think that if this age thing is true, then its a bigger kick in the face for the US athletes, to see that young chiense athletes can trump more experienced, presumably better trained western athletes.

    Take their medals away, but the fact remain that they kicked a$$ without performance boosters...

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    Antimony,

    Doping is also against IOC rules!

    I wonder how age will be determined!

    China has proved that they are the King.

    Chini is King as Singh is Kinng!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    It still does not go away from the fact that I was commenting on India and not China.

    You did not read my post and just jumped the gun and how trying to save ''face''! )
    You talked about 'all communist countries', and I thought you considered China as a communist country no?

    Anyway, I wasn't criticizing you. I offered some information just in case you thought China did sports in exactly the same way as the old Soviet Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Antimony,

    Doping is also against IOC rules!

    I wonder how age will be determined!

    China has proved that they are the King.

    Chini is King as Singh is Kinng!)
    Sir,

    In the interview that I am quoting, IOC President Jacques Rogge was asked why age should be a restriction. If a particular person of a particular age is good in a particular sport, why nopt just go ahead and allow that person to compete. Rogge categorically stated that IOC had a duty to look after the interests of athletes too, and too much pressure at younger ages can be emotionally traumatizing (or something to that effect)

    As for age determination, I have heard about stuff like bone density and so on. I don't know how accurate that is after a certain age though. Will try and look that up...

    By the way, narrowly avoided watching Singh is King

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    Chinese women's team legit.

    Chinese Olympic gymnasts legit, federation finds - CNN.com

    Saw this on Espn last night, just thought I'd post it here for the naysayers...

    BEIJING, China (CNN) -- The Chinese women's gymnastics team did not use underage competitors during this year's Summer Olympic Games in Beijing, the International Gymnastics Federation said Wednesday.

    The federation said it has concluded its inquiry into the matter after it confirmed the gymnasts' ages through official documents that the Chinese Gymnasts Association provided. The documents included passports, identity cards and household registers.

    However, the organization intends to further investigate the ages of two gymnasts, Dong Fangxiao and Yang Yun, who participated in the 2000 summer games in Sydney, Australia. The federation said it did not consider the explanations and evidence that Chinese authorities provided in regard to those athletes as satisfactory.

    The International Olympic Committee had asked gymnastics officials to clarify the situation after numerous commentators, bloggers and others questioned whether about half the members of China's team were old enough to compete. VideoWatch tiny gymnasts work out

    Athletes must be at least 16 in the year the games take place. In women's gymnastics, younger girls can have an advantage over older competitors on account of their often smaller, lighter and more agile bodies.

    The Chinese women's gymnastics team won a gold medal in a team competition at the Beijing games, and five members won individual medals.

    One of the challenges came from a blogger known as "Stryde Hax." The blogger claimed to have uncovered proof that Chinese gymnast He Kexin is only 14.

    In Internet searches, "Stryde Hax" allegedly uncovered Web pages showing lists complied by China's General Administration of Sport that show a 1994 date of birth for He.

    CNN was not been able to independently verify the information, but snapshots of the Web pages appeared to back up the claim. Other bloggers joined the search and reported similar results.

    The New York Times conducted its own investigation, producing similar results that seem to implicate He and two other members of the team. The Times uncovered a 2006 biography on He that lists her birthday as January 1, 1994.

    The International Gymnastics Federation, however, has said that those gymnasts were eligible and that the ages on their passports were correct.

    Chinese gymnastics coaches also defended their team.

    "Asians have different figures than people from the West, so that's what caused their suspicion," said Huang Yubin, head coach of the men's and women's teams, referring to media inquiries. "They shouldn't be suspicious."

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    What other result would they come up with if they used only PRC provided party line documents. Where are the dental exams, the explanation for the multiple past listings of a different age, the interview slip ups etc?

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    Lets await!


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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    What other result would they come up with if they used only PRC provided party line documents. Where are the dental exams, the explanation for the multiple past listings of a different age, the interview slip ups etc?
    Typical response...a legitimate international sporting organization conducts a month-long investigation finds nothing wrong, and you pounce. If they gave accurate dental records--zarver's response-forged. Why even bother with an investigation-your mind was made up long ago. Oh yeah they did give an explanation for the past listings (in English on a website-found by non Chinese speakers) of different ages-those weren't official documents, and there was confusion when new teammates were added, and the dates were not changed.

    I had stated I would accept the results of this investigation even if I was wrong, and I would eat crow. I guess it is too much to ask for you to be held to the same standard. Don't worry though, on behalf of the Chinese women's gymnastics team, I accept your apology.

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