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Old 11-16-2005, 01:50 AM   #106 (permalink)
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Well LM being etc want india to purchase their products.And so does india want it..OR else we wouldnt have been considering their products.. Wether the expectations of both sides match is a different matter.
where did USAF come into all this. Its either about US govt and these companies or indian govt and IAF, HAL etc. definitely not USAF. Please recheck what u type.

every company wants long term customers as u gain more from them..and of course americans are the leaders in business tactics.. no doubt about it... we indians need to learn a lot from them..

lets look at a few things here .
1. theres nothing called SU32MKI. theres only SU30MKI.

2. and most imp .. we have started inducting MKI's and while americans have started phasing out their F15s/16s. what are u trying to prove with this statement then.
3. there are versions of F15 in US service ( the AESA ones) that can shoot down MKI with great ease. u need a recheck on your facts.
4. its always better to ask questions than to make pass on your decisions in a forum when u are a new joineee as it at times doesnt match with the general opinion( which is most difficult to tackle when u are new.) . So better be more inquisitive than go about declaring your decisions/views.

And why do u think so.
Yes Flankers are sold at 50 mn a peice today. and that too with a level of technology nowhere near the level at which F15's and F16s are sold. Currently sold F15 version and F16 versions contain AESA radars. and u shud read about how good these planes are .. ( of course technological edge comes with a price .. and so thes are a bit costlier than SU30... but definitely worth it. ).
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Russia hails defence cooperation with India

Moscow, November 16: Russia hopes to follow up recent joint military exercises in India with further joint exercises on Russian territory, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov told his Indian counterpart today.

"I sincerely hope that these exercises will be continued now on Russian territory," Ivanov said at a meeting with Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee here.

Russia held the first joint anti-terror war games with India in Rajasthan last month.

Ivanov said on that occasion that the two countries planned to collaborate on building advanced fighter jets, warships and submarines, and to conclude a deal on military intellectual property rights by the end of the year, press reports said.
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Oye balle balle, my name is in there too
And was for good reason too .
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Old 11-16-2005, 07:05 AM   #110 (permalink)
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IRIGC-MTC, co-chaired by the defence ministers of the two countries, is steering body for the implementation of long-term USD 20 billion defence cooperation programme till 2010, which includes over 200 projects involving the supply and development of military hardware and weapons platforms for all the three services of the Indian armed forces.

20 Billion US $ over 200 projects? does any one here got any details abot this deal? I mean bot 200 projects? if the answer is "NO" I will try my best to get the details; watch this space and get information; In the article they didn't mention about the projects under way like SU30MKI contract, aircraft carrier with Mig29's & T-90 production; thats few big deals which we have have signed and the same will be active up till 2010 (excluding SU30MKI). Whether this contract Include the fifth generation aircraft? PAK-FA (or MCA) or any other major defence deal related to NAVY or ARMY? would love to hear from my seniors out here

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Old 11-16-2005, 12:49 PM   #113 (permalink)
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They must have included potential deals too.
Akula,Backfires...its a very long list I think.
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Old 11-16-2005, 13:22 PM   #114 (permalink)
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India to develop nuclear subs with Russian aid

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Moscow, November 16, 2005
Russia has agreed to help India in developing indigenous nuclear-powered submarine and aircraft carriers, while India is ready for joint development of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee said in Moscow on Wednesday.

The issue of vessels were discussed and Russia has agreed to provide all possible help and the advanced technology available with it, Mukherjee said after talks with his his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov.

"For some components joint ventures and joint production would be set up," he said when asked if Russian cooperation in the development of Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) and Air Defence Ship (ADS) projects was discussed with Russian Defence Minister.

ATV is an indigenous project for the development of nuclear submarine and ADS project is for the development of aircraft carriers.

Speaking at a joint press conference, Mukherjee said India will take part in the development and financing of a fifth generation super fighter aircraft project with Russia.

"We exchanged views. Active contacts are going on with Russian side. Our air force is in contact with their Russian counterpart, HAL and Sukhoi Corporation are talking on manufacturing aspects.

"We are keen on taking part in the development and financing of the fifth generation fighter," Mukherjee said.

He also announced that Russia's Defence Ministry has agreed to provide access to the Russian GLONASS global navigational satellite system for military application to India, an alternative to Pentagon-controlled US Global Positioning System (GPS).

IPR agreement next month

The two countries have finalised a military intellectual property rights (IPR) agreement which will be signed during the summit of their leaders early next month.

The agreement was finalised at the fifth session of the Indo-Russian Inter-governmental Commisssion on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC), the steering body of long-term defence cooperation between the two countries.

Manmohan to visit Russia

During Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's Russia visit next month for the summit meeting with President Vladimir Putin, the two countries will also ink an agreement on joint development and production of multi-role transport aircraft, Mukherjee, who signed protocol of IRIGC-MTC along with his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov, said.

The fifth session of IRIGC-MTC, which had opened on Tuesday, concluded on Wednesday.

Putin hails defence ties

Russian President Vladimir Putin hailed growing defence ties with India as the two sides promised further cooperation in military training and defence industry development.

"Relations between our defence establishments are developing in the very best way," Putin said.

"I do hope it will be possible. ... It will be a very viable project," said Mukherjee, adding that the deal envisaged Russia obtaining 100 of the new aircraft while India would get 45.

"Our interest is not only to participate in financial terms, but we would also like to be involved in the process of development of the aircraft," Mukherjee said, referring to links with Russia's Sukhoi aircraft maker.

The two countries intend to follow up joint military exercises that took place in Rajasthan last month with further exercises on Russian territory, Interfax news agency quoted Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov as saying earlier Wednesday.

"I confirm that in 2006-07 we will certainly carry out joint exercises on Russian territory involving the two countries' special forces," Ivanov said.

Mukherjee said the two countries were looking at signing contracts on Russian defence-related sales to India worth as much as 10 billion dollars, Interfax said.

Russia and India also plan to cooperate on producing defence equipment for sale to third countries, Ivanov said.

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Cope India 2005 - Learning from each other

KOLKATA, Nov. 16 — Fighter pilots and ground control staff of the Indian Air Force are technically sound and swift, according to their US counterparts in the ongoing joint air exercises at the Kalaikunda air base. Officers taking part in the exercise said they had learned from each other.

Mr Robert Borden, a member of the USAF ground control team, told The Statesman during an informal gathering organised by the US Consulate in Kolkata today, that IAF ground control staff are swift and have a sense of urgency in learning new technology. “It’s a quality we have learnt from them. And obviously we too have qualities which, hopefully, our Indian counterparts have learnt from us,” he said.

Rusty Cabot, a USAF pilot, said Indian pilots have strong technical skills. “Such joint exercises are necessary because both of us will benefit if we work together.”
However, the pilot also mentioned that they are aware of the agitation against the exercises. “India is a democratic country. And people have freedom of speech. This is how we see the agitation,” he added.
Mr Robert O. Blake, deputy chief of mission, US Embassy, New Delhi, said the joint exercises signify that two great democracies are coming closer, not only in military-to-military exchanges but in trade and economic cooperation too.
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Russia proposes to modernize Indian warplanes

MOSCOW, Nov. 16 (Xinhuanet) -- Russian aircraft manufacturer MiG unveiled Wednesday proposals on modernizing Mig-29 fighters imported by India, the Interfax news agency reported.

"We presented our new projects to the Indian defense minister and briefed him on the manufacture of test models," MiG General Director Alexei Fyodorov said.

"Currently we are in the phase of pre-contract work. We hope that a contract to modernize the MiG-29's will be signed next year," Fyodorov told reporters.

According to him, the proposed modernized version will still bea new aircraft different from the MiG-29SMT despite the fact that it uses many of MiG-29SMT's elements and will be adjusted to the requirements of the Indian air force, he said.

India has about 70 MiG-29s, and "we are planning to modernize all of them," Fyodorov said.

"As a result of the modernization, India will acquire a qualitatively new version of the MiG-29 light frontline fighter. The arsenal of this aircraft will include a wide range of various air armaments of the air-to-air and air-to-surface classes," Fyodorov was quoted as saying.

The updated fighter will be a multirole aircraft, he said. It will be able to effectively attack both air and ground targets. The plane will also be cheaper to maintain, the general director said.

In addition, MiG proposes modernizing MiG-27 fighter-bombers manufactured in India under license, the report said.

A modernized MiG-27 will carry out a test flight and be presented to Indian officials early in 2006, Fyodorov said. Enditem
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Cope India ’06: Fast-paced and full of firsts

Air Force pilots roar through combat exercise with Indian counterparts

Under gorgeous, clear skies in a faraway land, two countries’ air forces are engaged in a few firsts.

After kicking off this year’s version of Cope India on Nov. 7 with a series of familiarization flights, a dozen F-16s from Misawa Air Base, Japan, and a slew of Indian air force fighters began squaring off in a series of mock combat sorties.

Except for rest, meals and an Indian holiday on Tuesday, they haven’t stopped yet.

Cope India 2006, named for the fiscal year, marks the first time that U.S. Air Force F-16 pilots have flown against Indian fighters in dissimilar air combat training and the first time that U.S. pilots have trained with the Indian air force’s newest and most advanced fighter aircraft, the Su-30 MKI.

By the time the exercise concludes Saturday, Misawa’s pilots expect to log close to 150 training missions, said Lt. Col. Hugh Hanlon, Misawa’s 13th Fighter Squadron commander, during a phone interview Tuesday from Kalaikunda Air Base, India.

“It’s going really well on both sides,” Hanlon said. “We’re happy with the Indian aircraft’s performance, and we’re extremely pleased with our performance. I think they would say the same.”

This Cope India is the third such bilateral exercise since 2002, and the largest joint combat exercise between the two nations since at least 1963. About 250 personnel from Pacific Air Forces, including airmen from the 961st Air Control Squadron from Kadena Air Base, Okinawa, are deployed to India in support of improving interoperability between U.S. and Indian air forces and promoting cooperation and stability in the Asia-Pacific region.

The Indian air force’s MiG-21 Bison, Mirage 2000, MiG-29 Fulcrum, and MiG-27 Flogger aircraft also are joining the F-16s in a series of offensive and defensive counter-air engagements. Many of the training scenarios task the F-16s to protect ground targets against advancing Indian aircraft — and vice versa.

Each combat sortie is discussed and scored in combined post-flight briefings using a program that “shows the ground track and location of all aircraft during an engagement,” Hanlon said.

“We’re trying to not talk about the scoring stuff,” he added. “I think both sides got a lot of bad press last year and everyone missed the emphasis. More importantly, both sides are doing well and we’re accomplishing the objective that we set out here to obtain.”

It was widely reported after Cope India in February 2004 that the Indian air force scored several unexpected successes against U.S. pilots flying F-15 Eagles.

Hanlon called the exercise an “absolutely incredible” training opportunity. “We try to replicate how these aircraft perform in the air, and I think we’re good at doing that in our Air Force, but what we can’t replicate is what’s going on in their minds,” he said. “They’ve challenged our traditional way of thinking on how an adversary, from whichever country, would fight.”

Hanlon commended the 74 maintainers deployed from Misawa’s 35th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, noting not one sortie has been canceled due to maintenance problems.

“This pace has been unreal; the first day was just go, go, go,” Senior Airman Troy Herberholzt, 35th AMXS F-16 crew chief, was quoted as saying in an Air Force news release.
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Russia, India to build new multi-purpose transport plane - Indian minister

MOSCOW (AFX) - Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is to sign a deal on joint production with Russia of a new multi-purpose transport plane during a visit to Moscow next month, Indian Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee said.

During the December 4 to 6 visit, 'there will be the signing of an agreement on joint production of a multi-purpose transport plane,' Interfax news agency quoted Mukherjee as saying at a meeting in Moscow.

Russia and India have already agreed to jointly produce BrahMos anti-ship missiles and have discussed potential cooperation in the construction of fighter jets.

Russia provides around 70 pct of India's arms imports.

Singh could also sign an agreement with Russia over intellectual property rights, which Moscow has insisted on as defence industry cooperation between the two countries mounts.

'An agreement on the protection of intellectual property rights agreed by us could be signed,' Mukherjee was quoted as saying at a meeting of the Indian-Russian committee for military cooperation.
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Deal on with Russia to help India develop nuclear submarine: Pranab

MOSCOW, NOVEMBER 16: Russia has agreed to help India develop indigenous nuclear-powered submarine and aircraft carriers, while India is ready for the joint development of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee said here on Wednesday, after talks with his his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov.

‘‘For some components joint ventures and joint production would be set up,’’ he said when asked if he and Ivanov had discussed Russian cooperation in the development of the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) and Air Defence Ship (ADS) projects.

ATV is an indigenous project for the development of a nuclear submarine and the ADS project is for the development of aircraft carriers.

Speaking at a joint press conference, Mukherjee said India would also take part in the development and financing of a fifth generation super fighter aircraft project with Russia.

‘‘We exchanged views. Active contacts are going on with Russian side. Our air force is in contact with its Russian counterpart, Mukherjee said. He also announced that Russia’s Defence Ministry had agreed to provide India access to the Russian Glonass global navigational satellite system for military application, an alternative to the Pentagon-controlled US Global Positioning System (GPS).

The two ministers earlier signed the protocol of the fifth session of the Indo-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) as its co-chairmen. Mukherjee also announced that the vexed intellectual property rights issue had been resolved, and that the agreement would be signed during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s Moscow visit next month.

Speaking at the conference, Ivanov said the signing of the IPR agreement would open new vistas for cooperation in most sensitive futuristic technologies. He underscored the point that India is the ‘‘sole’’ country in the world with which Moscow has a long-term defence cooperation programme, and for which it has opened its entire military industrial complex.

‘‘This is because of highest level trust and shared national security interests in Eurasia and the whole world,’’ Ivanov said.
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Army, IAF plan "Exercise Desert Strike"

The Army and Indian Air Force (IAF) will unite for the joint land and air exercise titled 'Desert Strike' in the scorching deserts of Thar, on November 18, and put to test its latest firepower, strike and logistics capability.

The exercise will be a first of its kind, as the Army will be showcasing its concept of 'Network Centric Warfare', which revolves around the "key elements of synergisation and co-ordination of a vast array of sensors like radars, electro optical devices, thermal images and UAV's through the Battlefield Surveillance System (BSS)".

The system serves to increase battlefield transparency as also optimize ' sensors to shooter' links, thereby generating higher precision in weapons delivery and lethal degradation of the enemy.

The exercise will be witnessed by 24 observers of 16 friendly countries from the immediate and strategic neighbourhood and 39 Defence Attaches posted in India, another first of its kind.

"Most of the observers coming for the exercise are in the rank of Lt. Col, Colonel and Brigadier. China is coming for the exercise, but Pakistan has not been invited. US, UK, Russia, all have been invited," said an Army official.

The exercise, which is held in a cycle of two years, began on November 11 and will continue till 20, but the actual execution, involving strikes and manoeuvres in actual battlefield conditions is yet to begin.

The exercise involves mechanized corps, artillery, air defence, special forces, reconnaissance and air support by the IAF. The weapons include T-72 tanks, missile firing T-90 tanks (Bhishma), all weather Defence Gun Missile System, Searcher UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles), Bofors guns, and Chetak and MI-17 helicopters from Army Aviation for para forces.

The IAF's hardware include, the Mirage-2000 fighter jets, MiG-27s, MiG-21 Bisons, Jaguars, Mi-35 Attack helicopters and An-32 for logistics and para dropping. The IAF is also using a plethora of ammunition in its armoury in the exercise, like Precision Guided Munitions (PGMs), cluster bombs, Anti-Tank Missiles (Shtrum) and rockets.

Sukhois, IAF officers said, was not involved in the operations because it was going through some trials and tests, adding that once that got over, it would be inducted in all the exercises.

"Sukhoi is, and will be one of the major inventories for the IAF," said an IAF officer.

The targets, officials said involved the neutralisation of armoured regiments, ground forces, command centres and 'Logistics Camp', adding that Ex-Desert Strike was aimed at integration of all the tri-services, but here it was limited to the Army and the IAF.

"Exercise Desert Strike like all other exercises, revolves around OODA concept, which stands for Observations, Orientation, Decision and finally Action," said Brigadier Bal, while briefing the media.

"The Army's night fighting capabilities, had seen a quantum jump, and Ex-Desert Strike will also witness the army's prowess at night fighting," he added.

The exercise organized by the South Western Command of the IAF and Southern Command of the Army will involve as many as 25, 000 Army troops (one corp). For the IAF, the whole of Jaisalmer Air Station along with fighter fleet from Agra and other places will be mobilised in the exercise. (ANI)
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