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smilingassassin

I laughed when I saw the title of this thread, I thought it would be a sarcastic article but aparently some think it to be true!!!

India a failed state....... thats a good one!

Karthik

Hear hear, a Daniel's come to judgement !

Yeah, in the process of failing and more heavy failures in the offing.

This albeit the poster's twisted fetish for imaginary failures !

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How dare you laugh!!!

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Karim janab,

My great concern is not whether you have failed to see the reality, but whether you are content with your failure to apply your brains, if you have any.

Bluesman

We all agree: India is on the make, and that's good for the entire world. Another democracy roarin' along...anybody seeing a pattern, here?

I think dalem has the bubble perfectly caged: they are going to be THE regional power in that part of the world, and I foresee an alliance between the US and India that's eventually tighter than our current relationship with Europe (UK excluded).

Looking forward to it, personally.

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Ray

All indications show that there is will be closer ties between the US and India.

With the economy spinning, the conflct scenario are looming and simmering.

Therefore it is time to adaopt a sharp look at the future.

The indications are obvious.

smilingassassin

Meanwhile my country, Canada, as usual is trying to do the opposite of the U.S. simply as a matter of principle (in an effort to carve out its own unique identity)and foster good relations with China. Personally I hope the U.S. forms an aliance with India to form a solid bond between the worlds two biggest democracy's.

France and the rest of Europe can ride on the coat trails if they like but knowing the French they will side with China.

ylh

Well I disagree in entirety that India is a failed state. It is not. Sure it has the same problems as any third world country and democracy has not always translated into development, but the simple fact that democracy has held it together and there has been stability and smooth transition from one government to another makes it is a successful state.

Unfortunately we are all involved in a cyber spat... Pakistan is not a failed state either but it is not as successful as India yet... Pakistan can do well to emulate the democracy of India... and thereby do away with the one major objection against it : Lack of stable sustainable democracy

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Srirangan

The only future Pakistan has is in being a democracy. The army rule only makes Pakistan a tool for Arabs, mericans and the Chinese. But there is no reason why democracy in Pakistan cannot quell the challenges it faces in Balochistan. Musharraf's velvet glove fools the world but it cannot fool the people of Pakistan. They deserve democracy.

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yasirkarim

Not that accurate, and certainly not complete

Foreign Policy magazine and the Fund for Peace have released the first Failed States Index. It ranks 76 countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia. Cote d’Ivoire heads the list, while India comes in at number 76. (via Emirates Economist)

Among South Asian countries, Bangladesh is the furthest along the road to state failure, coming in at number 17, ahead of Myanmar (23), Bhutan (26), and even Nepal (35). This suggests that the weightages assigned to various components of the index require more refinement.

Although India gets the most favourable ranking, India’s inclusion in the index appears gratuituous. Although the publishers do state that all 191 countries will eventually be included in future revisions of the index, the arbitrary inclusion of countries hurts its objectivity.

Further, rankings by themselves do not convey as much information as the direction of their change. How countries change their position, even by this imperfect measure, will be the thing to watch in future years.

Ray

Ylh,

Pakistan would have been a failed state (if one went by the media report) but then things changed for the better and things are looking up considerably than the earlier times (again from the media reports).

This change around has been during the period of Musharraf who has some sort of a Guided Democracy going, maybe more stricter than the time of General Ayub Khan.

Therefore, to me, it appears odd since a military regime has done better than the democratic period. I will at the same time concede that an autocratic regime will produce better short time result. But in the long run, the country will collapse since freedom of action is curbed or channelised and individual rights and imagination crushed. Russia is an example and one does not know how China heads.

Could you trace the progress of Pakistan and indicate where it went wrong and where and why democray has never succeeded and was always at the bidding of the Army.

Also it be wonderful if you could explain why democracy repeatedly fails in Pakistan and it would be even better if the cliched reasons of corruption etc are not the only reasons cited and instead a deeper analysis keeping the social and other issues in mind.

I would appreciate this and hope it is an education that has alluded me so far owing to the Mohammed Ali (the Boxer) attitude - I am the Greatest.

Hari_Om

Ray,

Let me take a speculative crack.

I think the genesis lies in the partition.

The elites of what went on to become Pakistan were petrified of the “Tyranny of the Majority” particular of the “Hindu” subspecies. Thus despite a commitment to maintain democracy within an unpartioned India, Pakistan came to be.

Democracy after all is the “XXX of the Majority”.

With the elites so inclined to that view of Democracy, Democracy was on quick sand in Pakistan.

Authoritarianism was thus inevitable. The Armed Forces variety ruled simply because it was better organized than the Religious variety.

I however think that this is only an interim arrangement and Authoritarianism of a Religious kind will be the next stage of evolution of the Pakistani polity.

I say that as I recollect seeing a recent Pew Survey which showed just something like 7% of the population claiming Nationality was more important than Religion. Something like 70% favoured Religion over Nationality.

Anyway Hizb ut Tahrir certainly has much hope in Pakistan evolving in that direction. I myself think that would lead to a content Pakistan and hopefully a contented Pakistan will lead to an improvement in relations with India.

Somehow I think you would disagree with that last sentence, so do keep the left hooks down to gentle jabs!

Jay

if we go by the index China holds the 75th position. Look more..
http://www.fundforpeace.org/programs...olumn=country&

And these are the indicators,
The Twelve Indicators:

* I 1 - Mounting Demographic Pressures
* I 2 - Massive Movement of Refugees and IDPs
* I 3 - Legacy of Vengeance - Seeking Group Grievance
* I 4 - Chronic and Sustained Human Flight
* I 5 - Uneven Economic Development along Group Lines
* I 6 - Sharp and/or Severe Economic Decline
* I 7 - Criminalization or Delegitimization of the State
* I 8 - Progressive Deterioration of Public Services
* I 9 - Widespread Violation of Human Rights
* I 10 - Security Apparatus as "State within a State"
* I 11 - Rise of Factionalized Elites
* I 12 - Intervention of Other States or External Actors


India
8 6.2 5.4 6.7 9 5.8 4 5.1 5.9 2.4 6.8 4.2 69.5 76

Pakistan
5 5 6.9 8 9 3.3 9.8 7.5 8.1 9 9.3 8.5 89.4 34


Now compare the problems faciong India and Pakistan and you can clearly see why Pakistan is called a failed state.

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Srirangan

Dude, stop copying blog entries by Nitin Pai.