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Old 09-25-2005, 17:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pakistani spin over a "spy plane"

Unravelling the spin on a toy plane
By Jannat Jalil
BBC News, Islamabad



The army puts the "spy plane" on display
The Pakistani army recently announced it had destroyed an al-Qaeda base in the remote north-western tribal region bordering Afghanistan, where it is thought Osama Bin Laden might be hiding.
The army took journalists to North Waziristan to show them the results of its military offensive - but, our correspondent says, the media offensive was not a complete success.

It was a display designed to impress.

On the manicured lawn at the army camp in Peshawar, our first stop, piles of weaponry were neatly lined up on a long white-clothed table.

Anti-aircraft guns, rocket launchers, Kalashnikovs.

Just some of the huge amount of weapons, the army said, it had seized during its offensive in North Waziristan.

There were mortars, ammunition - and a bright yellow model plane.

Explosives

Had some child left his toy here by mistake? Apparently not.



Initial claims of the al-Qaeda raid later proved unimpressive

This, said the commander, was a Chinese-made, remote-controlled spy plane which had been used by militants to spy on army positions.

It is bright yellow I said. Their reply, that does not matter if it is used at night.

Several journalists asked how such a flimsy looking thing could carry a camera?

Not just a camera was the response from one general.

This plane could be used to drop up to one kilogram of explosives.

The plane itself looked like it weighed less than that.

Stink bombs I could believe, but not explosives.

Pressure

But the Pakistani army bristles when anyone tries to question what it is doing.




As the army flew us by helicopter to North Waziristan, we could get a sense of just how difficult its job is.

We passed mountain after mountain, some covered in large forests

The task of locating al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects in this vast region is made all the harder by the fact that many locals strongly resent the army presence.

Until three years ago, Pakistani soldiers had never ventured into the semi-autonomous tribal regions.

But under pressure from the US and Afghanistan to root out al-Qaeda and Taleban fighters, they have carried out a number of military operations, especially in South Waziristan, which have resulted in heavy casualties.

Journalists - even Pakistani ones - are not allowed into this remote area, except on occasions like this, when the military wants to trumpet another success against al-Qaeda.


Initial claims of the al-Qaeda raid later proved unimpressive. The captured fighters, described as important figures and foreigners, turned out to be Afghans.

The army could not even tell us if they were Taleban and did not produce them for us to see.

And the al-Qaeda base that had been destroyed turned out to be the compound of a madrassa or religious school that has been raided several times.


'Misconceptions'

Journalists asked the commander of the operation, Lt-Gen Safdar Hussein, if its timing had anything to do with the fact that President Pervez Musharraf was attending the UN summit in New York.



The al-Qaeda base raided turned out to be a madrassa

Safdar Hussein is a bluff, no-nonsense general.

He is as proud of his troops as he is suspicious of the media, which he accuses of creating misconceptions about Pakistan.

He said when he announced this operation he had not even known what date Gen Musharraf was flying to the US.

Nevertheless, there is no doubt the Pakistani army has been coming under intense pressure to show it is committed to combating Islamic militancy.

Especially from its neighbour, Afghanistan, which accuses Pakistan of providing a refuge for Taleban fighters.

Here, in briefing after briefing, general after general bombards us with figures about how many troops are patrolling the border, how many militants have been killed or captured, how many more border posts Pakistan has than Afghanistan.

They point out that more than 250 Pakistani troops have died in counter-terrorism operations since 2001.

But all this still does not satisfy the Afghans.

So in frustration, Pakistan has now proposed building a fence along parts of the border - a border that cuts through some of the world's most imposing mountain ranges, and parts of which are still disputed by Afghanistan.

This idea may seem as likely as a bright yellow toy plane being used to spy on army positions, but the Pakistanis say they are deadly serious.

Upon my return to Islamabad I went to a toy shop.

There was the exact same plane, the same model - even the same, bright yellow colour. The price about $55. Who would have thought a spy plane could be so cheap.

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Old 09-25-2005, 19:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Spy plane my ass.

This: http://www.uavforum.com/graphics/photo/pointer.jpg

would be a spy plane. Not some flimsy ass toy not even capable of a 50 meter range.
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Old 09-25-2005, 23:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think i saw one of those at Toys R' Us yesterday.
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Old 09-26-2005, 00:29 AM   #4 (permalink)
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pakistanis are working overtime to show their progress on WoT. Dont know do the army personnel even had proper education to conduct such brilliant goof ups to international media . Are PA recruiting directly from scores of madarssa in pureland .
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Old 09-26-2005, 00:55 AM   #5 (permalink)
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They point out that more than 250 Pakistani troops have died in counter-terrorism operations since 2001.
That is a very poor kill ration considering that only 650-700 Al Qaida menbers have been killed/captured till date.
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There was the exact same plane, the same model - even the same, bright yellow colour. The price about $55. Who would have thought a spy plane could be so cheap.
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Old 09-26-2005, 01:08 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Hahaha my son drives one of those things at the park. Does that mean he is a terrorist?
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Old 09-26-2005, 03:06 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The only thing that's spun is this article. Nit picked on the little things and totally burried the lead of the story. Pakistan vs Al Qaeda.

How do people like these pass out of journalism school? Its one of the 1st thing's you're taught. Oh yes, he knows, just agenda.
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Old 09-26-2005, 03:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Not really. The article did not miss out that. Read it again,

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The army took journalists to North Waziristan to show them the results of its military offensive - but, our correspondent says, the media offensive was not a complete success.

It was a display designed to impress.
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But the Pakistani army bristles when anyone tries to question what it is doing.
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Journalists - even Pakistani ones - are not allowed into this remote area, except on occasions like this, when the military wants to trumpet another success against al-Qaeda.

Initial claims of the al-Qaeda raid later proved unimpressive. The captured fighters, described as important figures and foreigners, turned out to be Afghans.

The army could not even tell us if they were Taleban and did not produce them for us to see.

And the al-Qaeda base that had been destroyed turned out to be the compound of a madrassa or religious school that has been raided several times.

So, if you read above, it shows how tough the drive against ALQ. It says how much pressure the Army faces and thats the reason they resort to so called media offensive.

I mean the Army took the media to show the results. The media questioned the validity of the results, aint that fair??
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Old 09-26-2005, 03:52 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The only thing that's spun is this article. Nit picked on the little things and totally burried the lead of the story. Pakistan vs Al Qaeda.

How do people like these pass out of journalism school? Its one of the 1st thing's you're taught. Oh yes, he knows, just agenda.
well the plane looks like a toy.can anyone post someother pic of small UAV which can drop small bombs or carry a camera.That could help.
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Old 09-26-2005, 04:02 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I didn't say miss, I said buried it.
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No, I dont see it buried. You may, but its just you.
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Old 09-26-2005, 10:00 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Tha plane is too small for any effect.

However, larger toy planes are used which are packed with explosives and then remotely controlled as kamikaze.
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Old 09-27-2005, 21:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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guys didnt you know, that is the whole reason the PAF bought the new F-16's....those planes are causing havoc among the troops and have accomplished air superiority in the areas they are deployed....
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guys didnt you know, that is the whole reason the PAF bought the new F-16's....those planes are causing havoc among the troops and have accomplished air superiority in the areas they are deployed....
right on bulls eye brother
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Tha plane is too small for any effect.

However, larger toy planes are used which are packed with explosives and then remotely controlled as kamikaze.
Sir,
Here is one such toy spy plane. It has a flying time of a "grand" 5 minutes and carries a camra that can be remote operated from a "massive" range of 300 mtrs.
http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/produ...tml?&prod=1365
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