Hijacked plane can be shot down - Page 2

lemontree · 08-16-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

How has it been proven?

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/jan/03tara.htm

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Hijackers with Pak military intelligence, says ISI ex-chief
Senior officials of the external affairs ministry today asserted that the hijackers of Indian Airlines Flight IC-814 are in the care of Pakistan's military intelligence and that is why the former Inter-Services Intelligence chief, Lieutenant General (retd) Hameed Gul, has revealed that they had gone from Kandahar to a territory held by his country.

"Pakistan's ISI and MI are at loggerheads, especially since Premier Nawaz Sharief was ousted by General Pervez Musharraf," the sources pointed out. "That is why Gen Hameed has not hesitated to spill the beans about the hijackers being in the MI's care. Our information is that even the US knows about this," the sources said.

External affairs ministry spokesman Raminder Singh Jassal, when asked about Gen Gul's statement that the hijackers had left Kandahar for Pakistani territory, quipped: "Sometimes he speaks the truth."

Jassal, however, refused to elaborate, contending that the intricacies of the hijack would eventually be unearthed.

Ministry officials referred to General Musharraf's adviser, Javed Jabbar, who had initially denied any Pakistani role in the hijack and had, instead, alleged that it was an act sponsored by India's Research and Analysis Wing. But later, Jabbar climbed down after realising that the US, India and others knew where the hijackers were. "After Gen Hameed made his statement, which is very damaging to Pakistan, the officials in Islamabad are suddenly keeping silent," they pointed out.

Going into the genesis of the ISI-MI tussle, they pointed out that both are military organisations but with some significant differences. The ISI director-general was traditionally appointed by the prime minister in consultation with the chief of the army staff but reported directly to the prime minister, not the army chief. In contrast, the director general of military intelligence reported to the army chief through the chief of the general staff.

The dismissed ISI chief, Lt Gen Khwaja Ziauddin, was appointed ISI chief by Nawaz Sharief without consulting Gen Musharraf, the offficials contended. That is why Pakistan's corps commanders began to take a dislike to the ISI, which had become a powerful organisation. The commanders obviously resented the ISI as a parallel centre of power in the army and felt threatened.

"Gen Hameed is a former ISI chief and he wanted to expose the MI and that is why he made his recent statement," the officials pointed out.

The external affairs ministry spokesman, meanwhile, drew attention to the arrest today by Nepalese police of a Pakistani embassy official in Kathmandu, Asam Saboor, a clerk in the visa section, for trying to pass off counterfeit Indian currency with a face value of Rs 50,000.

The spokesman pointed out that the Pakistani ambassador in Kathmandu and other senior officials had tried to bail out Saboor, saying he could not be arrested because of diplomatic immunity, even though Saboor has no such immunity.

According to Jassal, Saboor was caught while trying to give the fake currency notes to a Nepalese undercover agent. "There is a history of such illegal and criminal activities by Pakistani officials in Nepal, including the circulation of counterfeit Indian currency notes," Jassal said.

He pointed out that according to the agreement between India and Nepal, each country is to co-operate and give information if terrorist activities are being carried out on the other's soil. Saboor was caught in a "sting operation", he added.

Referring to Saboor's involvement in other illegal activities in Nepal, Jassal pointed out that he had contacted the terrorist Lakhbir Singh, who had been arrested from a hotel in Nepal with RDX and other explosives. Other Pakistan embassy officials in Kathmandu also contacted Singh, Jassal said. The terrorist, who was arrested in November last year, belonged to the Damdami Taksal.

Jassal told reporters that despite the conflicting reports about the hijackers not being in Pakistan, New Delhi has definitive information that they are under the protection of the authorities in Islamabad.

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I have proof for the Alliance airline being a hoax hijacking? The Indian government's trying to shrug it off as a crank call that got out of hand.

A hoax call and an actual incident are two different things, but I'm sure you know that.

Asim Aquil · 08-16-2005, 08:37 AM

One man's opinion is not evidence. He's a former intelligence official and not to forget anti-establishment.

He holds the government responsible for turning away from theocracy. He's got a lot of bitter feelings, to have him be taken seriously.

lemontree · 08-16-2005, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

One man's opinion is not evidence. He's a former intelligence official and not to forget anti-establishment.

He holds the government responsible for turning away from theocracy. He's got a lot of bitter feelings, to have him be taken seriously.

Do you ever take any person (who speaks against the GoP) seriously?...Does a person with "bitter feelings" put the country in the dock internationaly? There seems to be quite a number of them in Pakistan? Why?

konkerer · 08-16-2005, 08:55 AM

Hijackers were Pakistani terrorists and those released were also Pakistani terrorists, and after their release they were living freely in Pakistan.

Omar Sheikh was later arrested for Daniel Perl nurder.

Masood Azhar of Jaish-e-Muhammed was a free man untl there was a falling out between Jaish-e-Muhammad and ISI.

Do you deny that these people are Pakistani terrorists ?

vicky007 · 08-16-2005, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

Do you ever take any person (who speaks against the GoP) seriously?...Does a person with "bitter feelings" put the country in the dock internationaly? There seems to be quite a number of them in Pakistan? Why?

Thats because there are still some sane people in Pakistan(no believe me thats not an Oxymoron

) who see the situation as it is. whereas a majority of pakistani's are just putting up with whoever grabs power there and just wish that it works out.

History ofcourse denotes something different.

aaaditya · 08-16-2005, 09:22 AM

it was an indian airlines aircraft not alliance air(alliance air operates only b737-200's)whereas the aircraft hijacked was ic814 which was a airbus a300-b4.

Lahori paa jee · 08-16-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ab041937

If Kandhar was played by Indian side then why is Pakistan keeping the released prisoner in exchange to Indian hostages? Why didn't the taliban allow Indian commandos to storm the plane when they had arrived at Kandhar airport?

Reality Bites!!!!!!! who??????? Please provide proof of your reality.

Why India released them in the first place?

Plane was not hijacked from Pakistan or Afghanistan. It was hijacked from India. Where were Indian commandos at that moment. where they sleeping?

Why did they let the plane take off from their territory?

now you answer these AB

Jay · 08-16-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lahori Paa jee

Why India released them in the first place?

Coz we had a 100 odd people on board, and we dont trust Pakistani trained terrorist pigs, who will die with happiness to meet 72 whores on hell.

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Plane was not hijacked from Pakistan or Afghanistan. It was hijacked from India.

Plane was hijacked in Nepal, know the facts.

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Where were Indian commandos at that moment. where they sleeping?

If it was night, yes they wudve been sleeping. Unlike Pakistan, we dont have commandoes keeping peace at every nook and corner of the country. Hint: India, Pakistan cricket match. In India, we normally have police for most of the policing work, not commandoes.

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Why did they let the plane take off from their territory?

Its part fcuck up, may be they got scared that the passengers would be killed by the Pakistani trained pigs aboard the plane.

aaaditya · 08-16-2005, 15:14 PM

besides we are not as sadistic as pakistanis,valour meens thinking of other people's safety first there is nothing cowardly in it.

vicky007 · 08-16-2005, 17:32 PM

Valour for Pakistanis mean Sneaking like cowards and occupying "Vacated Posts" in Kargil and when confronted by the Indian Army doing some serious Downhill Skying towards PO(R)K.

vicky007 · 08-16-2005, 18:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lahori Paa jee

Just to support what i said earlier. Indians came up with a drama of hijacking in 1971's war, then during Zia's time our armies came eye to eye after a Hijacking from indian side then we had kandhar.

Vicky no one is suffering from withdrawal symptoms. Its just that reality bites.

Its such fun to prove your Post a balooney and figment of a Less then Normal Brain.Not only has pakistan planed the hijackings of IC-814 but also the One in 1971.This is proved as the Perpetrators of both the cases are still in Pakistan.

Here you go:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...~in~new~policy

Among the critics of the government’s new anti-hijack policy is Hashim Qureshi. But he is ready to endorse the strategy in one case: if it is used solely to defend vital installations.

Qureshi feels that if used in ordinary cases — like for shooting planes on runways — it would be like “the state fulfilling the objectives of the hijackers”. Apart form being a death warrant for air passengers, such a policy would not be a deterrent to potential hijackers, he says, revealing the mindset of hijackers.
Qureshi should know. He was Asia’s first hijacker.

In 1971, Qureshi hijacked an Indian aircraft from Srinagar to Lahore. No longer a Kashmiri militant, Qureshi has now turned peacenik.

“A plane should be shot down only if it is heading toward an atomic installation or a symbol of the country’s sovereignty, like Parliament or Rashtrapati Bhavan,” he says.

Qureshi says that the government should act to remove the causes that motivate men to hijack planes in the first place, rather than devise irrational laws like the new anti-hijack policy.

“Hijackers do not undertake such misadventures to save their lives,” he says, adding: “How can such laws impact the minds of men bent upon killing themselves?”

Recalling the 1971 hijacking, in which Qureshi (then 17) was helped by a distant relative who now teaches at Lahore University, he says that plane was blown up at the behest of the ISI on February 1, after a three-day wait. Qureshi then had to do time in a Pakistani jail, from April 1971 to May 1980.

In 1985, the then ISI director Akhtar Rehman asked him to return to the Valley and start secessionist militancy. Qureshi, however, refused and fled to Holland.

In December 2000, he was arrested in Delhi. After being handed over to the Jammu and Kashmir police, he was kept at the joint interrogation centre in Srinagar for a year.

Currently out on bail, Qureshi has challenged the clamping of hijacking charges against him in the state high court. His argument: he cannot be punished twice for the same crime.

Akshay · 08-17-2005, 13:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lahori Paa jee

Why India released them in the first place?

To save the lives of its people who were stranded on that unfortunate plane. Those people belonged to our esteemed middle class & the government cared for them.

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Plane was not hijacked from Pakistan or Afghanistan. It was hijacked from India. Where were Indian commandos at that moment. where they sleeping?

No, It wasn't hijacked from India. Hijackers boarded the plane from Kathmandu in Nepal & they arrived Nepal from Pakistan International Airlines. As for commandos, they were all ready to storm the plane but ur favorite pet at that time, Taleban didn't allow them to do so.

Asim Aquil · 08-17-2005, 13:31 PM

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To save the lives of its people who were stranded on that unfortunate plane. Those people belonged to our esteemed middle class & the government cared for them.

So India negotiated with terrorists, that would definitely kill a lot more than 76 people in the days to come (probably already have). India had also negotiated several times with Veerappan. Sounds like a pattern of weakness and terrorist negotiations.

So don't give us the bull that you were ready to attack with commandos at Kandahar and not on home soil. What the terrorists won't kill the passengers in Kandahar?

Lahori paa jee · 08-17-2005, 16:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vicky007

Its such fun to prove your Post a balooney and figment of a Less then Normal Brain.Not only has pakistan planed the hijackings of IC-814 but also the One in 1971.This is proved as the Perpetrators of both the cases are still in Pakistan.

Better quote from some credible sites not from indian sites.

Karthik · 08-17-2005, 23:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

LOL, this is all bull, what does India have that'll be targetted like the WTC, by planes!

It is not for nothing that our Parliament was attacked on December 22. We have monuments that are worth more than the WTC, especially for the terrorist dingbats.

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	One man's opinion is not evidence. He's a former intelligence official and not to forget anti-establishment. He holds the government responsible for turning away from theocracy. He's got a lot of bitter feelings, to have him be taken seriously.

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konkerer Banished Join Date: 04-26-05 Posts: 373	Hijackers were Pakistani terrorists and those released were also Pakistani terrorists, and after their release they were living freely in Pakistan. Omar Sheikh was later arrested for Daniel Perl nurder. Masood Azhar of Jaish-e-Muhammed was a free man untl there was a falling out between Jaish-e-Muhammad and ISI. Do you deny that these people are Pakistani terrorists ?

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aaaditya Regular Join Date: 08-11-05 Posts: 59	it was an indian airlines aircraft not alliance air(alliance air operates only b737-200's)whereas the aircraft hijacked was ic814 which was a airbus a300-b4.

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aaaditya Regular Join Date: 08-11-05 Posts: 59	besides we are not as sadistic as pakistanis,valour meens thinking of other people's safety first there is nothing cowardly in it.

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