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Old 08-02-2005, 15:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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‘Pakistan’s geopolitical importance increases’

WASHINGTON, Aug 1: India’s effort to make a two-fold strategic partnership with the US and China has further increased Pakistan’s “already remarkable” geopolitical importance, says a new study by a US think-tank. The wave of terrorist attacks which struck London on July 7 and 21 further increased Pakistan’s position as a key Western ally in the war against terror, says Federico Bordonaro, a University of Rome professor who authored the power and interest news report, titled “Pakistan: a Geopolitical Crux.”

Prof Bordonaro, a security analyst with the Chicago-based PINR, told Dawnthat Pakistan’s location at the confluence of South and Central Asian regions contribute to its geopolitical importance.

“Several foreign powers are interested in Pakistan as an outlet for energy resources in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan,” said Mr Bordonaro, who is currently studying the security problems of South Asia, particularly in reference to India’s effort to emerge as a major naval power in the Indian Ocean.

Prof Bordonaro believes that South and Central Asian regions would soon witness a major tug-of-war between the US and China with both wanting to further increase their influence in Pakistan.

“It will be very interesting to watch how influential people in the Pakistan Army and the ISI reorient their focus in this competition,” he said, recalling that when the US decided to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in March this year there were people in the Bush administration who argued that it would increase the army’s attachment to the US.

“If China gets stronger than it already is, it will be a problem for the US,” said Prof Bordonaro, adding that the Chinese could use Gwadar to counter India’s efforts to dominate the Indian Ocean and the Arabian Sea.

The Indo-US nuclear deal, signed on July 18, could also harm US efforts to maintain a nuclear balance between India and Pakistan, he argues. Prof Bordonaro believes that although the US could not prevent India and Pakistan from testing their nuclear devices in 1998, the Americans later decided not to create an imbalance of power in South Asia.

“But the US also has chosen India in order to balance China’s growing influence in the region and if you do so, it is very difficult not to cause an imbalance between Pakistan and India. This is the tragedy of power politics.”

Asked if the Indo-US nuclear deal could cause Pakistan to move away from the US, Mr Bordonaro said: “This is a possibility that is growing. It depends on how Indo-US relations develop in the near future and on the situation in Waziristan.”

Prof Bordonaro says that officials in Islamabad realize it’s not in their interest to move away from the US but they may try to balance growing Indo-US relations with a more pro-Chinese position. “If this happens, it will begin a very interesting and dangerous process in South Asia.”

A lot will also depend on how long this present administrative setup in Pakistan continues, said Prof Bordonaro, adding that the Americans still back the present setup. “They are not yet thinking about the post-Musharraf era, even though they lost some of confidence in him.”

Prof Bordonaro says Uzbekistan’s decision to ask the US to remove its military base has only added to Pakistan’s geopolitical position. Commenting on Uzbekistan’s move, he said both Russia and China were trying to counter US influence in Central Asia. “In Kyrgyzstan, which has allowed US military presence, we see an increase in US influence while in Uzbekistan we see its influence waning.”
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it is inevitable that Pakistan will slowly continue it drift towards China, as the author rightfully points out. Whether with or without Musharraf.

It will be better for pakistan to get out of U.S influence, and hoky politics of neo-con terror. The sooner this happens, the better off the country will be.
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Old 08-03-2005, 15:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well eventhough China is Pakistan's all weather friend, I think Pakistan should manoever it self somewhere inbetween these powers.
Closer ties with US means better relation with its allies, we are already taking benefit out of it.
Even after Bush era, we want good relations with Washington
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Old 08-03-2005, 16:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Well eventhough China is Pakistan's all weather friend, I think Pakistan should manoever it self somewhere inbetween these powers.
Closer ties with US means better relation with its allies, we are already taking benefit out of it.
Even after Bush era, we want good relations with Washington


Of course Pakistan is important, but for the wrong reasons.

The only time we hear about Pakistan or engage with Pakistan is when terrorism is an issue.

flame me all you want but the above is simple truth. If it weren't for Pakistan and terrorism, the term Pakistan would never even come up in world news.
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Pak spins on Indo-US-Sino axis

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1189305.cms

NEW DELHI: "India is sitting pretty and time is running out for Pakistan", says Dr Ashutosh Mishra, a Pakistan expert and a Research Fellow at the Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses, (IDSA), the country's strategic think tank, responding to a report published by Power and Interest News Report (PINR).

The report claims that Pakistan has achieved remarkable geopolitical importance in a paper titled, "Pakistan: a Geopolitical Crux".

He adds, "The domestic situation in Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) is improving with the Hurriyat agreeing to contest elections. The reunion of Pandits and Muslims in the state, the Pandits agreeing to come back to J&K plus the 5000-crore package have all brought back optimism, that is leading to domestic stability."

The PINR states that two recent events have increased its geopolitical importance. First, India's two-fold strategic partnership with China and the United States and second, the London attacks on July 7 and 21.

Manmohan's recent US visit has fuelled a debate among foreign policy analysts and security experts.

One side views the Indo-US relationship vis-à-vis the Sino-US and Indo-Pakistan backdrop and the other sees bilateral relationships driven by individual needs and requirements.

It is this debate, in a muddled manner, which runs as a leitmotif in the PINR report. "My advice to Pakistan is not to worry about the Indo-US rapprochement and growing bilateral relationships because bilateral relationships should be viewed case by case. Individual strengths and needs are the raison d'eter of bilateral relationships", says Dr Mishra.

Like how US and China built their own bilateral ties right from the seventies till yesterday's strategic bilateral talks between the two countries that concluded yesterday in Beijing chaired by Vice Foreign Minister Dai Binguo and the US Deputy Secretary of State, Robert Zoellick which ended on a positive note to continue the constructive relationship of cooperation increasing dialogue, building mutual trust and promoting cooperation.

"This puts an end to Bush's formulation of strategic competition from Clinton's strategic cooperation with China and the recent US-Sino initiatives to handle differences properly", says Dr Srikanth Kondapalli, a China expert and a Research Fellow at the IDSA.

He adds," The trilateral relationships of India, US and the China presents an interesting picture. Both US and China share a strategic relationship. China and the US already had six rounds of defence related consultative talks with the latest that has concluded in Beijing. The Next Steps in Strategic Partnership (NSSP) is case of strategic relationship between India and the US."

Which has led to even joint military exercises between India and the US. But such a request that was proposed by Gen Richard Meyers was turned down by China indicating that China still doesn't 'trust' the US completely given China's relationship with Taiwan and Japan.

"But the Chinese military will conduct joint exercises with the Indian army in Rajasthan this year", says Dr Kondapalli. Would this mean India and China are slowly bolstering their ties? Which justifies the idea that bilateral relationships should be measured by strengths and the requirements of the countries involved.
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Old 08-04-2005, 02:53 AM   #6 (permalink)
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it is inevitable that Pakistan will slowly continue it drift towards China, as the author rightfully points out. Whether with or without Musharraf.

It will be better for pakistan to get out of U.S influence, and hoky politics of neo-con terror. The sooner this happens, the better off the country will be.
a soverign country is not under anyones influence.

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The geostrategic equation of the area less India can be understood by this post I made elsewhere.
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The collapse of USSR left USA as the sole global superpower.

Given the geopolitical realities, the global supremacy opportunity was too lucrative to pass. This led to the Grand Strategy of envisioning extending this supremacy into near perpetuity. However, that this global supremacy would continue was doubtful since there were other nations who were inimical to the US ambition as were challengers as alternate power centres including Russia, which was down but not out!

Therefore, rightly, it became essential to re-engineer the world in US’ favour, or minimalistically, controlling world strategic resources and enforcing Pax Americana by manipulating the world economy.

This was addressed by the Cheney inspired Defence Policy Guidelines of 1992 where the strategic focus shifted from the single point traditional focus of containing the USSR to the multi-focussed ‘expanding democratic zones of peace’ encompassing a multiple and dispersed global threats figuration.

In the current context the IMF report holds relevance. The IMF Report of 14 April 2004 indicated global economic contractions and a legacy of US deficits. Therefore, the challenge was not only of prudent fiscal management, but also that of the world economy through International Financial Institutions and Instruments.

The resource – strategy gap could be resolved by short changing strategy instead of increasing resources. It meant addressing the future by abdicating the role as the guarantor of the global security order, take care of current business and be unprepared for tomorrow’s threats and battlefields. This was naturally not acceptable.

The National Energy Policy (NEP) Document in the Eighth Chapter ‘Strengthening Global Alliances’ stated that energy security is a priority for the US Trade and Foreign Policy, as it was obligatory to have sufficient energy supplies to support US and global economic growth. It categorically emphasised securing more oil from foreign sources and the security of such supply.
Though the document does not mention the quantum of foreign oil required but a chart of net US oil consumption and production over time indicates a decline of domestic field production from about 8.5 million barrels per day (mbd) in 2002 to 7 mbd in 2020, with consumption rising from 19.5 mbd to 25.5 mbd. Thus, oil imports including other petroleum sources like natural gas liquids would have to rise from 11 mbd to 18.5 mbd. This shortfall, the NEP indicated would have to be procured.
The unspoken rationale to corner oil worldwide, the most important strategic resource, through “Freedom and Democracy” movements and by military means and having bases the world over for quick reaction thus emerged.

9/11 came in handy for the translation of the DPG. The war in Afghanistan was justified as a retribution for the carnage at the World Trade Centre. Middle East and CAR (Central Asian Republics) were of interest to the US because of oil. The Caspian region has proven estimates pegged at 236 - 337 trillion cubic feet gas reserves and over 200 billion barrels.

Coincidentally, areas of strategic interest for the US were Islamic areas or those affected by Islamic terrorism (India). Therefore, it became handy to convert the War in Afghanistan into a War on Terror against Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists as also crank in the issue of “Freedom and Democracy” to give it a virtuous cover since the actual international community appeared very tardy in appreciating the US stand.

Iraq fell as a result and Saddam (diabolical as he maybe) was the stool pigeon since it was essential to have a pliable country capable of challenging the OPEC cartel, which was manipulating prices through controlled production and price manipulation. The aim was to destroy the OPEC under US guidance by flooding the Oil market and ensure the plummeting of prices to the advantage of the US economy and the accumulating trade and fiscal deficit.

To meet the US strategy, the US oil cartel was already in CAR and the pipelines matrixes were being redesigned to avoid erstwhile Soviet areas, now independent nations, as also move to the Turkish port at Ceyhan.

In this connection, the Velvet and the Orange Revolutions in Ukraine and Georgia as also the botched revolution in Kyrgyzstan, the refurbishing of militaries and colossal fiscal assistance to CAR countries is of significance.

The US aim is to encircle Russia and reduce its influence, if not emasculate it. The expansion of NATO is already worrying Russia and the “poaching” from the South in the form of military presence in CAR has alarmed Russia to a great extent.

The unfortunate part is that the US is, as always, a very impatient nation and to that effect their plan to get the global supremacy matrix quickly in place is getting skewed. In this Great Game where they should have not embroiled China, they have done so. By unnecessary overdoing the China and Japan issues in the furtherance of the US encirclement of China, they have alarmed the Chinese who are plodding patiently in establishing her hegemony in Asia. Now, with the bases in Kyrgyzstan (next to the Chinese Xingjian where Chinese are battling the Uighur Moslems) and Bush rudely warning China not to mix suppressing of its minorities under US flag of “War on Terror”, the Chinese have been scared off. To reinforce Russia’s and China’s apprehension, the US spurned the offer of using the anti terrorist centre at Bishkek. Accumulated, it does indicate to China and Russia that US has no interest in taking them on board and that the US has other intentions!

Hence, to ensure a stop to their influence in the CAR, the Chinese are refurbishing and strengthening the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), composed of China, Russia and CAR nations. This has been welcomed by Moscow as its conducive having China than the US as a regional power in this area. The SCO’s demand for the timetable for US withdrawal is in this context.

Given that there will be no spectacular increase in the European or Middle Eastern markets unlike the Asian market, the US planned an oil and gas pipeline to the Gwadar (being built by the Chinese) deep sea port of Balochistan (a state in Pakistan) through Afghanistan and Balochistan. However, these areas including Pakistan are turbulent with Islamic fundamentalists and feudal interests.

The CAR pipeline to Gwadar is of immense strategic and economic interest to the US. The Gwadar port is also a niggling issue for the US since the Chinese presence (which include covert military in nature) would be ideal for the Chinese to monitor activities of the US in the Middle East and China is also on a very friendly footing with Iran.

Hence, Pakistan and Afghanistan are important in the US strategic paradigm. By having US presence in these areas, the response time to safeguard US interest is practically realtime. Thus, it is profitable to have a turbulent Afghanistan and Pakistan so that there is a raison d’être for US presence.

In the above geo-strategic realities, the loss of the K2 US base gains prominence.
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Despite the best efforts of our neighbours to malign our position in the world , they have been unsuccessful. Reason truely stated by Neo.

Pakistan's importance cannot be ignored and it has always been a frontline state in many issues of Asia. Its because of Pakistan's strategic location.
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Old 08-04-2005, 18:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Pakistan will have increasing importance as the days will pass by because of industrial revolution taking place in Pakistan. Aso Pakistan is soon to be become a comercial hub for trade, and thats why Gawadar Port is being developed which will effectively help Pakistans economy and become a modern state in the world. Pakistan has been modernized very much in past 3 years, if we stay with the same pace i put my money down that it will become another UK.
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Despite the best efforts of our neighbours to malign our position in the world , they have been unsuccessful. Reason truely stated by Neo.

Pakistan's importance cannot be ignored and it has always been a frontline state in many issues of Asia. Its because of Pakistan's strategic location.
When it comes to training jihadi pigs, Pakistan is definetly a frontline state. As for other issues, even Indonesia bares more importance than Pakistan. And yes, Pakistan is in a strategic location for Al Qaeda since it can launch attacks in Afghanistan and India and then flee back into Pakistan....
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When it comes to training jihadi pigs, Pakistan is definetly a frontline state. As for other issues, even Indonesia bares more importance than Pakistan. And yes, Pakistan is in a strategic location for Al Qaeda since it can launch attacks in Afghanistan and India and then flee back into Pakistan....
So your really trying to call yourself a Indian pig.. oh i c..

Son, we all pakistanis know you bihindians are pigs..

Hold on! whats up with the urine drinking? Aj kuch zada hi peli?
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Pakistan will have increasing importance as the days will pass by because of industrial revolution taking place in Pakistan. Aso Pakistan is soon to be become a comercial hub for trade, and thats why Gawadar Port is being developed which will effectively help Pakistans economy and become a modern state in the world. Pakistan has been modernized very much in past 3 years, if we stay with the same pace i put my money down that it will become another UK.
As long as you fagots dont stop the rape and torture of Balochis, Gawdar will just be a pile of ****.

Balochistan Zindabad, Sabse pehla Balochistan.....
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As long as you fagots dont stop the rape and torture of Balochis, Gawdar will just be a pile of ****.

Balochistan Zindabad, Sabse pehla Balochistan.....
WTF are you talking about u stupid bihindian? Gawadar will kick on ur balls.

Balochistan Zindabad! Good luck bihindians in dividing us, but can't do ****!

well u can but in ur pants.
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WTF are you talking about u stupid bihindian? Gawadar will kick on ur balls.

Balochistan Zindabad! Good luck bihindians in dividing us, but can't do ****!

well u can but in ur pants.
LOL Pakifagot cant even understand simple English.
Way to go Mr.Bugti, show that Gwadar is a pile of **** .
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LOL Pakifagot cant even understand simple English.
Way to go Mr.Bugti, show that Gwadar is a pile of **** .
Will no bihindian will know! You urine drinkers will be nuked!
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