Canada seeks Indian Nuclear Expertise.

vicky007 · 06-23-2005, 10:13 AM

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanhe...5172005619.asp

How the Mighty have fallen. Canada is now seeking Indian Expertise and Help!!!!.
This is Sweet Revenge for India.Remember how the Canadians had refused to Help India in completing the Tarapur Atomic Plant Contract citing the 1974 Peaceful explosion

conducted by India?

Jay · 06-23-2005, 16:03 PM

IIRC Canada was the first western country to help India in building a nuclear reactor...CANDU models. Plutonium for 1974 tests came from Canadian supplied CANDU reactors.

Canada had to stop cooperation, as India violated the agreements.

**Officer of Engineers** · 06-23-2005, 22:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vicky007

How the Mighty have fallen. Canada is now seeking Indian Expertise and Help!!!!

The Indians are probably the only ones good enough and brave enough to go into a detorating nuclear reactor that has been rusting for over 10 years. I know I ain't that brave.

Samudra · 06-23-2005, 22:54 PM

Which one , Sir ?

**Officer of Engineers** · 06-23-2005, 23:16 PM

From the article

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The administration of New Brunswick where the nuclear station is located, has asked the federal government for 400 to 600 million dollars to subsidise the 1.4 billion dollar reconstruction of the plant.

The authorities feel refurbishment of the over two-decade-old power plant could be prohibitively expensive and have not guaranteed good performance on a long-term basis. Instead, they said, non-conventional energy sources could be tried out.

Environmentalists have also been alleging that nuclear power plants are plagued with unresolved safety issues, high security risks, chronic under performance problems and massive cost overruns and toxic waste.

Samudra · 06-24-2005, 00:00 AM

My bad !

What is this , outsourcing of ... ?

Neo · 06-24-2005, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by vicky007

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanhe...5172005619.asp

How the Mighty have fallen. Canada is now seeking Indian Expertise and Help!!!!.
This is Sweet Revenge for India.Remember how the Canadians had refused to Help India in completing the Tarapur Atomic Plant Contract citing the 1974 Peaceful explosion

conducted by India?

Would you please define 'peaceful explosion'?

bull · 06-24-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Neo

Would you please define 'peaceful explosion'?

An explosion which is not intended to create a weaponised bomb.

Neo · 06-24-2005, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bull

An explosion which is not intended to create a weaponised bomb.

The know how to detonate such an explosion is never regarded as peaceful, atleast not by the West.

Jay · 06-24-2005, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Neo

The know how to detonate such an explosion is never regarded as peaceful, atleast not by the West.

That defn was just not for the west. But its up to "the west" whether to believe it or not.

vicky007 · 06-24-2005, 08:46 AM

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The know how to detonate such an explosion is never regarded as peaceful, atleast not by the West.

Well it was a Peaceful Explosion and more of a Technology Demonstrator of Indian Capabilities circa 1974.
It was indeed a Peaceful Explosion as India had no intention to Weaponise as proved from the fact that from 1974 to 1998 till the second set of Explosions India did not build a single nuclear warhead under a self imposed moratorium.This is unprecedented .Sure nobody in the West would believe it, Its like a Kid in a Candy Store not picking anything.No other country except India could have exercised such "Self-Restraint"

**Officer of Engineers** · 06-24-2005, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by vicky007

Well it was a Peaceful Explosion and more of a Technology Demonstrator of Indian Capabilities circa 1974.
It was indeed a Peaceful Explosion as India had no intention to Weaponise as proved from the fact that from 1974 to 1998 till the second set of Explosions India did not build a single nuclear warhead under a self imposed moratorium.This is unprecedented .Sure nobody in the West would believe it, Its like a Kid in a Candy Store not picking anything.No other country except India could have exercised such "Self-Restraint"

You've got to be shiittting me! Where did the 1998 warheads come from? Not only did the materials took years to accumulate but the R&D would have taken decades. If you think that the Indians didn't learn from the 74 test on how to build nuke warheads, you're the one sugarred up on candy.

Let's put some perspective on the Indian help. The plant in question is obsolete and of a very old design. We don't even make spare parts for it anymore, especially after Three Mile Island and Cherynoble. The only ones with the expertise in these designs are the Indians who continues to be champions of these power generation systems. Of course, we're going to ask the Indians.

bull · 06-24-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

You've got to be shiittting me! Where did the 1998 warheads come from? Not only did the materials took years to accumulate but the R&D would have taken decades. If you think that the Indians didn't learn from the 74 test on how to build nuke warheads, you're the one sugarred up on candy.

Let's put some perspective on the Indian help. The plant in question is obsolete and of a very old design. We don't even make spare parts for it anymore, especially after Three Mile Island and Cherynoble. The only ones with the expertise in these designs are the Indians who continues to be champions of these power generation systems. Of course, we're going to ask the Indians.

.98 was a political decision.
India could have done that before.

**Officer of Engineers** · 06-24-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bull

.98 was a political decision.
India could have done that before.

That's the point. The 74 test paved the way for a nuke weapons program.

Hari_Om · 06-24-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

You've got to be shiittting me! Where did the 1998 warheads come from? Not only did the materials took years to accumulate but the R&D would have taken decades. If you think that the Indians didn't learn from the 74 test on how to build nuke warheads, you're the one sugarred up on candy.

Colonel,

I am in complete agreement with you when you say that India learnt from the 1974 tests

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Let's put some perspective on the Indian help. The plant in question is obsolete and of a very old design. We don't even make spare parts for it anymore, especially after Three Mile Island and Cherynoble. The only ones with the expertise in these designs are the Indians who continues to be champions of these power generation systems. Of course, we're going to ask the Indians

We however diverge here.

The Point Lepreau plant, where Indian help is reportedly sought, is a CANDU-6 reactor, the first of that design.

Qinshan Phase III (Units 4 and 5) in the PRC are CANDU-6’s. Qinshan-4 went commercial on December 31, 2002, and Qinshan 5 - on July 24, 2003.

Hardly obsolete given the dates. And then I would think it unlikely that spares would have stopped being manufactured.

Anyway, if Canada has indeed sought India's help, I do hope GOI will say yes.

The bottom line as far as I am concerned is that Canada has been good to India, occasional misunderstandings notwithstanding. I do not agree with Canada having stopped nuclear co-operation with India post 1974, but I will reluctantly

admit that Canada had its own sound reasons and acted on its beliefs, none of which were in any sense perverse. That is to be respected.

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