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Old 03-30-2005, 21:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Don't enter Kashmir bus, warn militants

Four militant groups on Wednesday warned people against travelling by the April 7 inaugural Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus.

A statement faxed to newspaper offices by Al-nasreen, Al-arifeen, Farzandan-e-millat and the Save Kashmir Movement dubbed the bus a 'coffin'.

The statement said the Kashmir bus is a ploy by the Indian government to keep Kashmir with it forever.

The militant groups said the bus will be attacked on its way to Muzaffarabad. They have called for a general strike in the Valley on April 7, when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will flag the bus off.

"We humbly request the persons selected to travel on the first and second bus to Muzaffarabad not to enter the coffin...but if they do, they will find their names in the list of traitors," the statement said.

The statement carries a list of 40 persons who have booked seats on the first bus, complete with their residential addresses and application form numbers.

The statement accuses Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf of "constantly working against Islamic forces in Pakistan at the behest of his masters."

Reacting to the threats, Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil on Wednesday said the government will take all steps to ensure a safe journey for passengers in the inaugural bus service between Srinagar and Muzaffarabad on April seven

He said the Centre was gathering information about threats to people travelling in the bus.

"We are in the process of gathering full information and we will take al steps necessary to ensure safety of passengers," Patil told reporters in New Delhi.

"Whatever we are doing is in the interest of peace. We will have to be very vigilant and we will not let our guard down," Patil said.

Source: http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/30bus.htm

My Opinon: I bet this bus will be surrounded by military vehicles and police cars on its way.
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Old 03-31-2005, 19:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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these people are a discgrace to Kashmir and the frreedom struggle.

If the insurgency was against Indian forces and limited to them, i will support it, no offence Indian troops or former troops, i find it difficult wishing death upon people, and hope truly from the depths of my heart that the issue can be resolved peacefully, BUT, the troops are occupiers and a war against them could be legitimate.

But this is pure terrorism, in hope the Indian forces capture and kill those carrying out such acts and bringing hardhip to mankind.
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Old 03-31-2005, 20:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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resolved peacefully, BUT, the troops are occupiers and a war against them could be legitimate.
No they are not. They are defenders of a people, people who are being killed by terrorists from Pakistan.

And the only war that would be legitimate is between uniformed forces on both sides, not between Pakistani terrorists and Indian soldiers. Tried that a couple of times, didn't you?

What is happening now is a turkey shoot, the turkeys being the terrorists.

Oh, news flash for you. The bulk of the killings that have taken place in J&K over the past decade are of civilians, not of soldiers. So much for your war of liberation.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countr...casualties.htm
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Any such attack could spell danger for the peace process.
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Old 04-01-2005, 01:12 AM   #5 (permalink)
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http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/apr/01bus1.htm

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Foiling militants' plan to target the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus, Border Security Force personnel recovered 117 kg of powerful explosives hidden in four scooters on the route, a BSF spokesman said on Friday.
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[quote=amit]Four militant groups on Wednesday warned people against travelling by the April 7 inaugural Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus.



The statement carries a list of 40 persons who have booked seats on the first bus, complete with their residential addresses and application form numbers.



how the hell did they get the names ..even their addresses 'n' form nos!!
oop's,.. do they have any source inside?
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Old 04-01-2005, 05:05 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The names were known from POK.

The terrorists would be out of a job, if Kashmiris meet.

Hence, they don't want to lose their livelihood.
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Old 04-01-2005, 07:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
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But this is pure terrorism, in hope the Indian forces capture and kill those carrying out such acts and bringing hardhip to mankind.
capture and kill ?!! plat wont that be against human rights ?!
Plat all the major four terrorist groups have threatened against this bus service. what do you have to say about them ?!

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Old 04-01-2005, 10:21 AM   #9 (permalink)
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No they are not. They are defenders of a people, people who are being killed by terrorists from Pakistan.

And the only war that would be legitimate is between uniformed forces on both sides, not between Pakistani terrorists and Indian soldiers. Tried that a couple of times, didn't you?

What is happening now is a turkey shoot, the turkeys being the terrorists.

Oh, news flash for you. The bulk of the killings that have taken place in J&K over the past decade are of civilians, not of soldiers. So much for your war of liberation.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countr...casualties.htm
Total and utter *******s....read this....research by Janes intelligence review....


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-9-2003_pg7_54

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ISLAMABAD: The revealing existence of ‘no go zones’ in the thick forests of the Jammu region supports the Pakistani point of view that the movement is indigenous, reports the Janes Intelligence Review (JIR).

These zones are used as ‘safe havens’ by Kashmiri freedom fighters to launch operations against the Indian army in the valley.
The freedom movement is indigneous, it is operated from within IOK, yes it has pakistani elements within it, but the movement is indigneous. If it wasn't wouldn't you find more Kashmiri's openly talking against it and the Indian army welcome rather than shunned. The Kashmiri leaders who support this are sitting in Srinagar not Mirpur.

As for terrorists and evil activity read this and get back to me, see what independent eyes have seen your terrorist army do....
http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/kashmir....htm#TopOfPage

I mean LeT etc are hardly the role models of the Kashmir movement, those are people like Lone, who was convenietnly killed my militants who forgot to leave thier Pakistnai passports behind.
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Old 04-01-2005, 14:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I mean LeT etc are hardly the role models of the Kashmir movement, those are people like Lone, who was convenietnly killed my militants who forgot to leave thier Pakistnai passports behind.
Abdul ghani lone was a moderate in the hurriyat and he was contemplating participation in the elections at the time he was killed. now tell me who would like to kill Lone when he finally decides to contest the elections thereby pledging his allegience to the Indian Union.This is what Abdul gani had to say about your 'Freedom fighters' ..

Islamic extremists are biggest threat in J&K: Lone

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He said he found many Kashmiris [in PoK] to be less happy with the Pakistani government than he had anticipated.
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I agree with the guy.

Who says we want to be a part of Pakistan or India, give us the choice of freedom/Pakistan/India then we will decide and tell you.

Why won't you let us choose?

Also, yes, these wahhabi's have harmed the cause more than anything else.
One dead civillian is casues more damage to the cause than the benifiet of killing 1000 occupiers.
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Old 04-02-2005, 02:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I agree with the guy.

Who says we want to be a part of Pakistan or India, give us the choice of freedom/Pakistan/India then we will decide and tell you.

Why won't you let us choose?

Also, yes, these wahhabi's have harmed the cause more than anything else.
One dead civillian is casues more damage to the cause than the benifiet of killing 1000 occupiers.
well then shouldnt you be asking your pakistani brothers to get back the piece of kashmir that they donated to China first before demanding India to hold a referendum ?!!

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Any such attack could spell danger for the peace process.
No, on the contrary there will be everlasting peace. By releasing the name of Indian passengers to the jihadis, and the subsequent death threats issued, is a boon for the security forces.
The death threats ahve shown the people the "evil" mind of their (Pakistani) "guest militants". The fence sitters have already decided that Pakistan is the problem.
I hope that the terrorists strike the bus, and confirm their evil to the people. This incident will erode whatever "support" they have in the valley, turning them into roving bandits, hunted and lynched by the people of Jammu & Kashmir. Turning Op Topac into yet another failure of the likes of Op Gibralter.

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"Go ahead o'ye stooges of ISI, do your trade and do it well,
or no one will belive your threats in future.
No action after your tongue as spoken, will make you the lilly livered, pretty boys, of the harems of the nawabs.
Rediculed and laughed at by peasants and farmers, or treated like a cur passing through an ally with its tail 'tween its legs".
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Plat,

The fact that these areas were being used by terrorist is no indicator that it was indigenous.

In the Pir Panjal, there are many places where one could assemble and stay without anyone knowing since it is uninhabited and only the bakarwals visit the area during summers and that too they have their own dhoks and things like that.

Stocking up in such areas is also not a problem since one could always go down and buy in bulk or get sympathisers to buy it for them and then have it humped by the horses.

It is easy for Janes and others to say what they want because they have not seen the area.

BTW, I have patrolled Pir Panjal many a time.

As far as talking about independent Kashmir, if a thing is drummed into your mind by politicians for thier own importance day in day out, year after year, some start believing. It is quite natural.

Do you believe in God? I am sure you do? Have you seen Him/Her? No, but still you believe. Why? Because you have been tutored from childhood so.

If one were born in Pakistan to Moslem parents, would one not believe in Allah? And yet, if the same person were born in India of Hindu/ Christian/ Jew/ Parsi/ Buddhist parents, would the same man not believe in the God he has been taught is God?

Therefore, it is a question of something that has been drummed into the mind from childhood.

In the question of Kashmir, it has been drummed in by some politicians to suit their purpose and then played up by our Central govt for their vote banks and then the media, both Indian and international, have made it larger than life!

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Old 04-03-2005, 05:36 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I agree with the guy.

Who says we want to be a part of Pakistan or India, give us the choice of freedom/Pakistan/India then we will decide and tell you.

Why won't you let us choose?

Also, yes, these wahhabi's have harmed the cause more than anything else.
One dead civillian is casues more damage to the cause than the benifiet of killing 1000 occupiers.
what fickin occupiers?here in india kashmir they have right to vote.choose their leaders.women are free to do what they want.no shuttlecock burkha here.GOI invests more money there than in any other state.kashmiri's are given free scholarships and free to travel anywhere.

in short india kashmir is total opposite to POK.do you even have any election there>or it is perhaps muslims dont need elections in the land of pure?you cannot even hold what you have and you wanna add kashmir?
pehele sindh,baluchistan and nwfp ko sambhalo phit kashmir ki baat karo.


ps:what about hindus/buddhist/sikhs in kashmir.they dont wanna live in land of pure.they form about 40% of the population and they hate pakistan.
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