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Old 02-07-2005, 13:37 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Okay I'm going to edit the comments I made on skin colour myself - the comment was more emotional than how I actually perceive anyone, it was out of line.
Oh well, it aint the first time and it aint gonna be the last. Its so funny.get this on your think head, you aint even white, white is not superior. You still will be called a Browny even if you have a fake brit accent, and a tatoo "Aryan" on your skinhead.

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Besides, hindus I know in Pakistan eat beef/animal and ursing India.
And who said hindus in India never eat beef??

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The taj mahal was built by mughals, and although sanskrit derived languages are popular in India, its origins do not lie in India.
Yeah then prolly we shud credit Africa coz its the source of mankind.

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As i said before, I don't hate Indians in general, its not their fault
I dont give a damn even if you did.

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India's going to disappear, its only a matter of time...mark my words.
So are you the new Nostradamus?? Can you predict whether Mushy wud be alive tomorrow?? Let him know, Poor chap will have some good nite sleep.
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Old 02-07-2005, 13:49 PM   #77 (permalink)
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if Pakistan did dissolve, it would hasten India's dissolution.
What makes you feel that Indian is a soluble pill like Pakistan?

Pakistan was pulled out like a rabbit from a hat by the British to please the pork eating alcohol guzzler gent. It was no entity before that.

Therefore, it has an identity crisis. Hence, it is chameleonic in government structure. Sometimes, civilian and sometimes under the jackboot. It commenced its history as secular, then changed to guided democracy, then military democracy, then corrupt democracy, then Islamic democracy and then again corrupt democracy, then sham democracy and now a military democracy! Hence, it is a confused nation.

Pakistan has be a soluble pill and dissolve. It will not affect India. India has an identity. It has a future. Warts on the periphery can always be surgically removed.
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:33 AM   #78 (permalink)
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India's going to disappear, its only a matter of time...mark my words.
Many said that before you, and ended up in Indian POW camps or ran away to hide behind their moma's skirt.
India looks as solid as ever inspite of its internal squables, but I see that Balochistan is out of your control. The pityful Pak army is unable to restore gas supply...How are your people cooking food now - firewood or animal dung?
Pakistan will become the "khalistan" that your friend Shere-e-Pussycat wants.
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:39 AM   #79 (permalink)
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It is happening, look at all the separatist groups going around in India. What happens in Pakistan doesn't affect India one bit, in fact if Pakistan did dissolve, it would hasten India's dissolution. On a few of the Sikh forums I frequent occasionally, Hindus seem to use the existence of Pakistan and islam to justify the existence of India and deter the idea of a sikh nation, the same goes with accusing Pakistan of supporting every tom dick and haresh who's seeking independence in India. It'll be pretty difficult to say when Pakistan isn't around, right
aryan state the rebel groups and the areas they workin india.Its a challenge.let me see how much stuff you have!!!
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Old 02-08-2005, 03:29 AM   #80 (permalink)
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in fact if Pakistan did dissolve, it would hasten India's dissolution.
Aryan,

Observed history does not support your contention.

Pakistan dissolved in 1971 when around 20% of its land area and 45% of its population seceded to form Bangladesh. Thirty-five years after that event, India’s has not shrunk, if anything it has expanded with the incorporation of Sikkim into the Indian union in 1975.

Now you could be drawing your contention from Pakistan’s particular experience with the dissolution of Afghanistan, an event which dragged Pakistan to the brink of being a failed state. That also does not support you contention.

None of the other neighbours of Afghanistan, namely Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan or China, came anywhere close to being at the brink of becoming a failed state. That distinction is exclusively Pakistan’s.

Now I notice that views such as yours, suggesting the adverse consequences on India of a Pakistani dissolution, are appearing in the Pakistani media. Let me say this is a wasted effort. Indian help in sorting out Pakistan’s mess would be more likely forthcoming if directly asked for rather than adopting the convoluted approach of suggesting that Pakistan’s dissolution is not in India’s interest.
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Old 02-08-2005, 07:16 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I don't know about exact figures, but I do know plenty of people were killed on both sides of the border. Where did you get your figures from, and do you have anything similar about the number of muslims killed in India?
Neither side has exact figures of hindu/sikh and muslim deaths during partition.
Religious composition of West Pakistan
1947
*Hindu/Sikh population in West Pakistan (1947) - 3 million.
*Population of West Pakistan (1947) - 25 -30 million.
*Non-muslim population of West Pakistan (1947) - 10%-12%(+40% of these were Sikh).
1994
*Total population - 126 million.
*Non-Muslim(hindi/Sikh/Christian/sects not considered muslim) - 3%

India in 1945
*Total population - 400 million(incl Pakistan)
*Muslims - 90 million (22.5%)(incl Pakistan)
India 1950 after partition
*Hindus - 87.25
*Muslims - 10.43%(50% part of Pakistan and migration)
India 1991
Total Population - 847 million
Hindus - 82.8%
Muslims - 11.7%
Balance - other minorities.

During partition, killings took place on both sides. From the above figures, one can make out which country has been the biggest butcher of them all. After partition minorities have grown and developed in India, while in Pakistan they have been reduced to an insignificant level of 3% (from 10-12% during partition).
The figures show, which nation has used religious prosecution as a state policy.
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Old 02-09-2005, 10:09 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Neither side has exact figures of hindu/sikh and muslim deaths during partition.
Religious composition of West Pakistan
1947
*Hindu/Sikh population in West Pakistan (1947) - 3 million.
*Population of West Pakistan (1947) - 25 -30 million.
*Non-muslim population of West Pakistan (1947) - 10%-12%(+40% of these were Sikh).
1994
*Total population - 126 million.
*Non-Muslim(hindi/Sikh/Christian/sects not considered muslim) - 3%

India in 1945
*Total population - 400 million(incl Pakistan)
*Muslims - 90 million (22.5%)(incl Pakistan)
India 1950 after partition
*Hindus - 87.25
*Muslims - 10.43%(50% part of Pakistan and migration)
India 1991
Total Population - 847 million
Hindus - 82.8%
Muslims - 11.7%
Balance - other minorities.

During partition, killings took place on both sides. From the above figures, one can make out which country has been the biggest butcher of them all. After partition minorities have grown and developed in India, while in Pakistan they have been reduced to an insignificant level of 3% (from 10-12% during partition).
The figures show, which nation has used religious prosecution as a state policy.
Well those statistics do hide the fact that only bordering states were affected by partition violence - for instance there was no violence in Kerala or anywhere in the south. Most of Pakistan's hindu population bordered India, whereas only a fraction of India's population bordered the Pakistan border, the muslims in East Punjab, west Bengal and probably a few other states. Try comparing the religious demographics of those states before and after partition.
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People from the south didnt want to go to a hell hole so they chose to remain where they were.

Pakistan is small compared to India, the thickly peopulated areas of Pakistan borders India, and how does that matter to the killings?? Are you trying to defend them by saying the areas were over populated with Hindus and Pakistani muslims were ethnically cleansing them?

FYI...undivided Punjab and Bengal were some of the biggest states in India then.
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Old 02-09-2005, 13:33 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Aryan,

You have NO clue about anything. Your posts are there more because you like to see your name it appears.

Haven't you seen enough of posts in this very sub forum to indicate how pathetic everything is in the Land of the Fure.

Please use links since they will speak more about the issue than your insane rabid frothings.

If indeed you know about the about the issue on which Lemon psoted, please answer it and not leave it rhetorically hanging without any meaning.

Since you know all, go fish the data yourself.

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Old 02-10-2005, 01:34 AM   #85 (permalink)
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Try comparing the religious demographics of those states before and after partition.
Re-read my post. I have compared the religious compostion as per govt statistics of per and post partition.
The southern states did not have any riots, as it did not inculde in the regions demanded for Pakistan in the India Independence Act. The Muslim League had made it a policy to exterminate all hindus and Sikhs from the regions of Punjab and Peshawar regions. Sindh and East Bengal were not as violent as Punjab, thats you have more hindus in Sindh. East Pakistan had 23% hindus prior to 1971 war.
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