Indian Navy to Expand Bluewater Capabilities

bengalraider · 07-03-2008, 01:32 AM

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Source: Indian Navy to Expand Bluewater Capabilities | India Defence
Indian Navy to Expand Bluewater Capabilities
Dated 2/7/2008
India is planning to expand the bluewater capabilities of the Navy with more indigenous built platforms, which can carry out underwater surveillance and anti-submarine warfare operations, minister of state for defence M M Pallam Raju said on Wednesday.

Speaking at a function in Kochi after formally handing over the technology for the third generation ship sonar HUNSA NG to Bharat Electronics [Get Quote] Limited, Raju said these sonars would be fitted on a range of Indian Navy warships including frigates, destroyers and corvettes, to be built in the Indian dockyards. It would also replace earlier sets progressively. Raju congratulated the scientists of the Naval Physical and Oceanographic Laboratory (NPOL), a Defence Research and Development Organisation institution located in Kochi, for developing and transferring the technology in the stipulated time.

The total production of NPOL sonar would go up by another Rs 200 crore when the new sonars were produced, he said. Stressing the importance of naval research for a country like India, which has a 7,400 km long coastline and two island chains, Mr Raju said the Indian Ocean, once an ''ocean of peace,'' could become a hotbed of hostilities. There was increased movement of superpower submarines in the region and naval build-ups in the area, against which India had to be on an alert, the minister added.

Besides protecting sea trade and communication lanes, ports and Indian assets abroad, the Navy also had to be equipped to check drug and human trafficking, terrorism and piracy, Mr Raju said. ''For India to be the dominant power in the area, it is important for us to equip the Navy with bluewater capability,'' he added. The minister noted that two of the NPOL's towed array systems were close to user evaluation. The Navy had also evinced interest in Low Frequency Dunking Sonar, being developed at NPOL, by funding the installation on the Advanced Light Helicopter.

In the context of low intensity warfare, the NPOL's efforts in coastal surveillance systems also needed to be augmented, Mr Raju said. Stating that delay in delivery of goods and services had been a major point of criticism against the DRDO, the minister said the organisation needed to transfer technologies to its industrial partners effectively and efficiently. In this context, Raju praised the successful three-decade-old partnership between NPOL and BEL.

Chief Controller Reasearch and Development , DRDO, Sivathanu Pillai said the sonar technology developed at NPOL was comparable to the best in the world and was ready for export to other countries. The tsunami warning system and the 'Sanjeevani' life detecting device were some of the other NPOL technologies with multi-faceted applications, he said. V V R Sastry, Chief Managing Director , BEL, said with global players entering the Rs 54,000 crore Indian defence market, the competition was heating up for the local defence-related industries.

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bengalraider · 07-03-2008, 13:21 PM

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India to get Russian nuclear submarine after 17 yr wait

Agencies

Posted online: Thursday, July 03, 2008 at 1338 hrs IST

Moscow, July 3:
India will get its first Akula class Russian nuclear submarine in 2009, equipping its navy with the quietest and lethal underwater war machine after a gap of 17 years to enhance its blue water capabilities.

Factory trials of the multi-role nuclear submarine, christened INS Chakra which India-will get on a 10-year-lease, commenced on June 11 at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur shipyard and will be followed by sea trials, Russian defence sources said, adding it will be delivered by September 2009.

According to experts, Chakra would help India fill the void caused by the delays in the indigenous Advanced Technology Vessel project to build a nuclear powered, guided missile attack submarine.

Three Indian naval crews for the nuclear submarine have already been trained at the specially set up training centre in Sosnovy Bor near St. Petersburg.

This facility would also be used for training crews for the Indian nuclear submarines of ATV project currently in the advanced stages of development, sources said.

Though they said that India has financed the completion of construction of submarine of project 971 "Shchuka B"(NATO codename Akula) under the USD 650 million deal signed in 2004 as part of the larger Gorshkov package, they did not reveal the cost of the lease of Chakra.

Akula (Shark) is the quietest Russian attack submarine and Chakra has been christened after its predecessor leased by the Indian Navy in 1988 from the erstwhile USSR.

In January 1988, ex-USSR had leased K-43 nuclear submarine of project 670 (NATO codename Charlie) which was with the Indian Navy as INS Chakra till March 1991, when under the intense US pressure beleaguered Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev had refused to extend the lease.

India to get Russian nuclear submarine after 17 yr wait - IndianExpress.Com

Sumku · 07-03-2008, 15:05 PM

Hehe.

The lease of the Sub is for 10 years so it means that it would be with us till 2019. In that period, if a war was to erupt with our western neighbor and were India to lauch Brahmos from it to sink their ships, I bet our neighbor would call for Jihad against the Russians

Interesting

bengalraider · 07-05-2008, 06:31 AM

jihad against the russians well!

islamabad would soon become another grozny!

anyways i have heard that the indigenous ATV shall also have inputs from the akula and the sverodinsk!

pravin · 07-05-2008, 06:38 AM

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jihad against the russians well

Pakistanis will become true fidayees

bengalraider · 07-05-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumku

Hehe.

The lease of the Sub is for 10 years so it means that it would be with us till 2019. In that period, if a war was to erupt with our western neighbor and were India to lauch Brahmos from it to sink their ships, I bet our neighbor would call for Jihad against the Russians

Interesting

actually i have read some reports claiming that the lease is just a backdoor entry for India to buy 2 akulas from Russia as the lease comes with an extension clause and an option to buy after 10 yrs

**Officer of Engineers** · 07-05-2008, 08:53 AM

Sorry, there would be no sale of Akula. The lease is a loophole in the NPT

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Article I

Each nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes not to transfer to any recipient whatsoever nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or control over such weapons or explosive devices directly, or indirectly; and not in any way to assist, encourage, or induce any non-nuclear weapon State to manufacture or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices, or control over such weapons or explosive devices.

Moscow can't transfer (ie, sell) any nuclear weapons platform but they can lease it and thereby retain ownership.

Skywatcher · 07-05-2008, 11:10 AM

How much of a penalty would New Delhi have to pay if someone sunk the Akula though?

bengalraider · 07-05-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywatcher

How much of a penalty would New Delhi have to pay if someone sunk the Akula though?

fat chance !no one in the region has even a remote chance of sinking an akula

**Officer of Engineers** · 07-05-2008, 11:13 AM

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How much of a penalty would New Delhi have to pay if someone sunk the Akula though?

The standard of all such leases is that India has to give back the AKULA in the exact same condition as she started the lease with. Even wear and tear must be addressed.

stupid · 07-05-2008, 22:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bengalraider

fat chance !no one in the region has even a remote chance of sinking an akula

i'd put this other way. what are the chances...when operated by IN?

kuku · 07-05-2008, 23:06 PM

Who knows who is really operating the boat, its not like the sub will give out annual media passes.

This news does not make sense, russia needs its ship building capacity to make ships for itself, now that they have money, they could just return the money India payed and tell India to take a cold shower instead.

And what if this ship turns out to be a radiation leaking death chamber, that would be a tough situation indeed something Indian Navy would have to hide from everyone, and ride out for 10 years.

If this really is going to happen and a decent ship comes our way (which would give the much needed boost to the indian and russian military relations of buyer-seller-JVs-JPs).

How long before our good friends from the east send some of there own to our good friends to the west.

Or are the Chinese ones already popping around in that spanky new port.

Skywatcher · 07-05-2008, 23:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The standard of all such leases is that India has to give back the AKULA in the exact same condition as she started the lease with. Even wear and tear must be addressed.

Except for refueling the reactor, I presume?

I thought the IN had sent over a bunch of submariners to undergo training?

**Officer of Engineers** · 07-06-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywatcher

Except for refueling the reactor, I presume?

The Indians will have to pay the Russians to do that. It would be part of the lease.

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Originally Posted by Skywatcher

I thought the IN had sent over a bunch of submariners to undergo training?

Certain aspects are forbidden by the NPT. Any nuclear weapons and their associated authority and materials would have to come from India herself. The crews would learn on how to drive the boat but I really doubt the Russians would include weapons release in those courses.

Blademaster · 07-06-2008, 02:50 AM

Sorry OOE,

That doesn't jive with the history. Remember that India leased a Charlie boat from USSR. During that lease, India practiced weapons release and there were some wear and tear among the boat.

07-05-2008, 23:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
kuku Contributor Join Date: 02-28-08 Location: delhi Posts: 711 Country:	Who knows who is really operating the boat, its not like the sub will give out annual media passes. This news does not make sense, russia needs its ship building capacity to make ships for itself, now that they have money, they could just return the money India payed and tell India to take a cold shower instead. And what if this ship turns out to be a radiation leaking death chamber, that would be a tough situation indeed something Indian Navy would have to hide from everyone, and ride out for 10 years. If this really is going to happen and a decent ship comes our way (which would give the much needed boost to the indian and russian military relations of buyer-seller-JVs-JPs). How long before our good friends from the east send some of there own to our good friends to the west. Or are the Chinese ones already popping around in that spanky new port. __________________ cheers

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Sumku Contributor Join Date: 04-12-08 Location: Allahabad Posts: 646 Country:	Hehe. The lease of the Sub is for 10 years so it means that it would be with us till 2019. In that period, if a war was to erupt with our western neighbor and were India to lauch Brahmos from it to sink their ships, I bet our neighbor would call for Jihad against the Russians Interesting

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bengalraider Contributor Join Date: 06-10-08 Location: new delhi Posts: 706 Country:	jihad against the russians well! islamabad would soon become another grozny! anyways i have heard that the indigenous ATV shall also have inputs from the akula and the sverodinsk!

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Skywatcher Contributor Join Date: 03-14-08 Posts: 444	How much of a penalty would New Delhi have to pay if someone sunk the Akula though?

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Blademaster Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-15-03 Posts: 3,197	Sorry OOE, That doesn't jive with the history. Remember that India leased a Charlie boat from USSR. During that lease, India practiced weapons release and there were some wear and tear among the boat.

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