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xinhui · 03-08-2008, 21:11 PM

TO quote the greatest military mind of the 21st century

The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don’t know
We don’t know.

xinhui · 03-08-2008, 21:17 PM

As we know

Subs from PLAN have been monitoring every single military ex conducted in that part of Ocean since the 1980s. It happens so regularly , the Japanese no longer report them.

Recall an incident back in 2003, a Ming class sub surfaced near Japan and head home in high speed after at the end of a Japanese ex, it was one of the very few incidents that made it to the news

Note the red algae outside of the sub which suggested it has been stationary underwater for sometime.

xinhui · 03-08-2008, 21:18 PM

But there are also unknown unknowns,

I have no idea why the US commander was so surprise to find a PLAN sub there, which is expected given the recent history.

**Officer of Engineers** · 03-08-2008, 21:40 PM

Andy,

My mistake, I've forgotten about that MING.

xinhui · 03-08-2008, 21:50 PM

We know there are some things
We do not know.

I don't mean to take over this thread, but the timing of the surface is very interesting. normally, they return home quietly.

It was Nov 2003, only six months after the Ming 361 accident which killed 70. In addition, you can tell from that photo, it was flying a red Chinese flag. There was no flag in the photo with a distance, the one with the cargo ship.

Timing for Japan is also interested, Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi cited that incident

and I quote

Japan has also put forward a competing bid to a Chinese proposal to construct oil pipelines in Russia’s East Siberia. China’s plan calls for a pipeline running to the Manchurian city of Daqing, while Japan is insisting on pipelines that run to Nakhodka—the Russian coastal area opposite to Japan. Japanese companies are competing with China over oil exploration rights in other regions too, such as Indonesia.

The submarine incident occurred only three days after the Japanese media published commentary on a study by the Japanese military into possible scenarios in which China attacked Japan.

The Koizumi government is using the discussion of a Chinese threat to justify the re-deployment of jet fighters from Okinawa to the island of Shimoji, closer to Taiwan. Japan is also considering establishing an electromagnetic wave-detecting station on Miyako Island—near where the Chinese submarine was spotted—to intercept the communications of Chinese warships and aircraft.

While both Tokyo and Beijing are now downplaying the significance of the submarine incident, it underscores the sharpness of economic and military rivalries in the region.

kuku · 03-09-2008, 03:43 AM

My my the naval buildup is truly going to be tremendous in the neighbourhood.

Adux · 03-10-2008, 00:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Because at some point, Major, reality sets in. Otherwise, why stop at 15 SSBNs. Hell, I want the Battlestar Galactica.

I think that can be arranged

Deltacamelately · 03-10-2008, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Because at some point, Major, reality sets in. Otherwise, why stop at 15 SSBNs. Hell, I want the Battlestar Galactica.

Fine Sir, but priorities also matters. No one here would disagree that India still lacks a credible 2nd strike capability. And my argument for SSBNs is bang on target...we don't want SSBNs for Pakistan, as I said before...it will be to deter any formidable foe, making it or them think thrice before pre empting a first strike. BattleStar Galactica...Don't mind having either.

Sardaukar · 03-10-2008, 09:50 AM

Forget Galactica, just an old tub, was to be put in a museum hadn't the war begun

I'd rather have the Battlestar Pegasus....

**Officer of Engineers** · 03-10-2008, 10:15 AM

I mean the original. Lasers are far cooler than bullets.

Blademaster · 03-10-2008, 10:49 AM

Actually lasers as weapons is not practical or theoretically possible because the lasers don't explode things. They just heat things up to a point where the melting point has been reached. If you want to explode things, you have to take the material right by the meltiing point to the vapor point in a very very short period of time. Microwave beams can do that.

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Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 16,651 Country:	Andy, My mistake, I've forgotten about that MING. __________________ Chimo

03-08-2008, 21:50 PM	#95 (permalink)
xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 656	We know there are some things We do not know. I don't mean to take over this thread, but the timing of the surface is very interesting. normally, they return home quietly. It was Nov 2003, only six months after the Ming 361 accident which killed 70. In addition, you can tell from that photo, it was flying a red Chinese flag. There was no flag in the photo with a distance, the one with the cargo ship. Timing for Japan is also interested, Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi cited that incident and I quote Japan has also put forward a competing bid to a Chinese proposal to construct oil pipelines in Russia’s East Siberia. China’s plan calls for a pipeline running to the Manchurian city of Daqing, while Japan is insisting on pipelines that run to Nakhodka—the Russian coastal area opposite to Japan. Japanese companies are competing with China over oil exploration rights in other regions too, such as Indonesia. The submarine incident occurred only three days after the Japanese media published commentary on a study by the Japanese military into possible scenarios in which China attacked Japan. The Koizumi government is using the discussion of a Chinese threat to justify the re-deployment of jet fighters from Okinawa to the island of Shimoji, closer to Taiwan. Japan is also considering establishing an electromagnetic wave-detecting station on Miyako Island—near where the Chinese submarine was spotted—to intercept the communications of Chinese warships and aircraft. While both Tokyo and Beijing are now downplaying the significance of the submarine incident, it underscores the sharpness of economic and military rivalries in the region. Last edited by xinhui : 03-08-2008 at 21:55 PM.

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xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 656	TO quote the greatest military mind of the 21st century The Unknown As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don’t know We don’t know.

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xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 656	But there are also unknown unknowns, I have no idea why the US commander was so surprise to find a PLAN sub there, which is expected given the recent history.

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Blademaster Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-15-03 Posts: 3,197	Actually lasers as weapons is not practical or theoretically possible because the lasers don't explode things. They just heat things up to a point where the melting point has been reached. If you want to explode things, you have to take the material right by the meltiing point to the vapor point in a very very short period of time. Microwave beams can do that.

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